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re: GoT S7 E3 Thread: 'The Queen's Justice' Maester Thread
Posted on 8/2/17 at 11:18 am to TigerFanInSouthland
Posted on 8/2/17 at 11:18 am to TigerFanInSouthland
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Posted on 8/2/17 at 11:23 am to jchamil
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He's still just as much Stark as they believe he is now
He would be further removed from the lineage because Ned's kids would be the primary lineage, his sister's secondary. I believe it would give Sansa (or Bran or Arya) clear preference over Jon's line.
Then there is the clear distrust by some of the North of a Targaryen because of the madness in their line.
It would absolutely muddy the waters.
Posted on 8/2/17 at 11:26 am to TigerFanInSouthland
I've been thinking on whether it can be said that Jon has saved each of his 3 surviving "siblings"(actually cousins).
Bran would likely be dead or a captive if Jon hadn't showed up at Craster's Keep when that a-hole knife fighting guy from Flea Bottom captured him.
Sansa probably would be dead or still a plaything of Ramsey if Jon wasn't Lord Commander of the Night's Watch at the time she escaped. I doubt any other Lord Commander would have intervened for her. Of course she repaid the favor by bringing the Knights of the Vale to save his arse at the Battle of the Bastards.
It's more of a stretch but Arya probably wouldn't be alive if Jon hadn't given her Needle.
Poor Rickon is the odd Stark out. If only he had zigged and zagged a couple of times, Jon might have been able to save him too.
* I don't have a good enough memory of what happened at that tower south of the wall when Jon and Bran and Rickon almost met. They might have kind of inadvertently saved each other in a way?
Bran would likely be dead or a captive if Jon hadn't showed up at Craster's Keep when that a-hole knife fighting guy from Flea Bottom captured him.
Sansa probably would be dead or still a plaything of Ramsey if Jon wasn't Lord Commander of the Night's Watch at the time she escaped. I doubt any other Lord Commander would have intervened for her. Of course she repaid the favor by bringing the Knights of the Vale to save his arse at the Battle of the Bastards.
It's more of a stretch but Arya probably wouldn't be alive if Jon hadn't given her Needle.
Poor Rickon is the odd Stark out. If only he had zigged and zagged a couple of times, Jon might have been able to save him too.
* I don't have a good enough memory of what happened at that tower south of the wall when Jon and Bran and Rickon almost met. They might have kind of inadvertently saved each other in a way?
Posted on 8/2/17 at 11:39 am to MontyFranklyn
quote:Jon has established the premise that the child shall not be judged for the sins of the parent; this applied to the Karstarks and Umbars.
I wonder how that would change if they ever find out he's actually a Targaryen
The Mad King waged war on the Baratheons and the Starks; currently Cersei's claim to the throne is as a Baratheon, not as a Lannister (although she uses the Lannister army). Jon's claim to the North is as a Stark. The Arryns sided against the Targaryens, and the Lannisters came into the war as a practical manner.
Jon, if it becomes known to be both Stark and Targaryen, cleans up the vs Stark part nicely, especially with Sansa backing him, and she brings the Arryns' support. Tyrion, if he is the sole surviving Lannister, cleans up the vs Lannister part. A union between Dany and Jon would incorporate the Tyrells and Dorne into the group.
Only the Baratheon house would truly still have issue, and they're gone. All the other houses are in various allegiances with the above mentioned houses.
Posted on 8/2/17 at 11:40 am to BluegrassBelle
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It would absolutely muddy the waters.
Only if any of the remaining children contested Jon's "claim"
Bran, Sansa, nor Arya would. In fact they would bolster it, even without his Lazarus gig. He'd still be KitN.
After the Boltons, I don't think the Northern houses would mind a little fire in their ice.
Posted on 8/2/17 at 11:45 am to 19
Bran and Arya don't concern me.
Sansa is another matter.
Sansa is another matter.
Posted on 8/2/17 at 12:19 pm to BluegrassBelle
quote:
Sansa is another matter.
Yeah, shes being a huge immature count right now. If she wants the lead winterfell then just speak to jon in private. If she doesnt, then she needs to STFU and not call Jon out in front of the entire kingdom like a child.
Concerns of that matter are meant to be brought up at the proper time.
Posted on 8/2/17 at 12:35 pm to SundayFunday
From Sansa's point of view, she must be like: I've got one (half) brother who came back from the dead, broods all the time, hangs out with Wildlings, and is obsessed with a threat that has never gotten past the wall, and now I've got a brother who is some kind of tree wizard, talks like a robot and apparently peeked in on the most horrible and traumatic events of my life.
Wait till she meets Arya. Now she'll have a sister who is a nameless, face changing assassin to add to her happy family.
Wait till she meets Arya. Now she'll have a sister who is a nameless, face changing assassin to add to her happy family.
This post was edited on 8/2/17 at 12:38 pm
Posted on 8/2/17 at 12:38 pm to Methuselah
If Drogon doesn't turn Casterly Rock into New Harrenhal, I'm gonna be pissed.
Posted on 8/2/17 at 12:40 pm to Xenophon
Why would he burn down casterly rock with a bunch of unsullied occupying it
Posted on 8/2/17 at 12:40 pm to BluegrassBelle
quote:
He would be further removed from the lineage because Ned's kids would be the primary lineage, his sister's secondary. I believe it would give Sansa (or Bran or Arya) clear preference over Jon's line.
Jon's lineage isn't the primary factor for succession, either as Lord of Winterfell or Kingindanorf. Sansa already had a better claim to Winterfell than Jon; legitimate daughters come before bastards.
Jon was chosen by the Lords of the Norf because he assembled an army and united the houses. The linage was secondary, as Lady Mormont confirmed when she said "he's got Ned Stark's blood and that's good enough for me". I'm pretty sure that Lyanna Stark's blood is going to be good enough, as well.
Strategically, Jon's Targaryen blood should help to bolster his claim to the northern titles, not hurt it.
Posted on 8/2/17 at 12:41 pm to wildtigercat93
Hodor
Posted on 8/2/17 at 12:41 pm to wildtigercat93
They obviously aren't staying at CR.
Posted on 8/2/17 at 12:47 pm to ell_13
I mean if the previews show her burning down the Lannister army, then what would be the point in burning down the rock? I dont think Jamie's plan will have time to play out as he plans it to
Posted on 8/2/17 at 12:49 pm to Xenophon
Tyrion is gonna want the rock standing.
Posted on 8/2/17 at 12:50 pm to wildtigercat93
It's just such a hodor thing for someone to want this show to waste time and resources burning down an empty CGI castle with CGI magical creatures. 
Posted on 8/2/17 at 12:53 pm to ell_13
Oh I thought you were calling me a hodor
Posted on 8/2/17 at 12:55 pm to wildtigercat93
I hope Jon mentions he knew Aemon Targaryen
Posted on 8/2/17 at 12:57 pm to wildtigercat93
Ew. No.
Posted on 8/2/17 at 12:58 pm to ell_13
sup
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