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re: GOT S6:E9 "Battle of The Bastards" - Reader Thread - NO Leak Spoilers.
Posted on 6/20/16 at 9:20 am to Azazello
Posted on 6/20/16 at 9:20 am to Azazello
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We may still get a "the North remembers" speech
It will ring kind of hollow, "We owe the Starks a debt that can never be repaid." After Jon no longer needs their help to retake Winterfell? After the Umbers' worthless oaths?
Frankly, they did it back when Sansa first came to Winterfell with the old lady, Ramsay flayed her and that was it for the GNC. The old lady said she had "friends" - and those friends turned out to be Brienne and Podrick. For the show's purposes, the GNC must have been a farce or a hollow gesture, at best.
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Posted on 6/20/16 at 9:23 am to musick
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Red Wedding Pt. 2. Why do I think Arya might be involved?
I don't think that's gonna happen. That would take some incredible time warping powers.
Posted on 6/20/16 at 9:24 am to TigerFanInSouthland
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That would take some incredible time warping powers.
I mean...Theon and Yara sailed half way around the world in 2 episodes
Posted on 6/20/16 at 9:30 am to Byron Bojangles III
I took it as he meant she is like scarred for life from what he did to her.
Posted on 6/20/16 at 9:30 am to elprez00
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After this battle, Jon's legend has to be huge, right?
I think his legend had already been growing. Ramsey refused to 1 vs 1 him because it is said Jon is the greatest swordsman to ever live.
Posted on 6/20/16 at 9:34 am to BOSCEAUX
The KotV entrance was great. LF had that Prepare Thy Anus face on 
The only thing i wish they would've done was have the KotV fly some Stark banners amongst their own.
The only thing i wish they would've done was have the KotV fly some Stark banners amongst their own.
Posted on 6/20/16 at 9:39 am to Mrtommorrow1987
I will take the downvotes.
Jon isn't very good as a battlefield commander. He abandoned his plan, ran off by himself, and left his army without a leader. Davos and Tormund then had to make decisions on the fly. Without LF riding in at the last minute his entire army would have been wiped out.
2v2 only as leaders on a battlefield: Ramsey was better than Jon.
Jon isn't very good as a battlefield commander. He abandoned his plan, ran off by himself, and left his army without a leader. Davos and Tormund then had to make decisions on the fly. Without LF riding in at the last minute his entire army would have been wiped out.
2v2 only as leaders on a battlefield: Ramsey was better than Jon.
Posted on 6/20/16 at 9:40 am to Byron Bojangles III
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So does Ramsay telling Sansa "I am part of you now" kind of confirm she's pregnant?
Not sure why people keep thinking this. I am about 99% sure he was just talking about emotionally. Because she would never forget what he did to her.
You know how rape victims say it ruins them for life.
Posted on 6/20/16 at 9:40 am to Buckeye06
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shot well and it was great, but I was waiting for a "holy f" moment and never got it
They gave us exactly what we wanted! How can you not be satisfied??
Posted on 6/20/16 at 9:41 am to PatDyesPants
No shite Sherlock
Posted on 6/20/16 at 9:42 am to PatDyesPants
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Jon isn't very good as a battlefield commander. He abandoned his plan, ran off by himself, and left his army without a leader. Davos and Tormund then had to make decisions on the fly. Without LF riding in at the last minute his entire army would have been wiped out.
2v2 only as leaders on a battlefield: Ramsey was better than Jon.
Perhaps but it also was very in character for Jon. Jon cares for his family and people in general. He would gladly die for them while Ramsay would not. It is part of what makes him a good leader as he is easy to get behind.
Posted on 6/20/16 at 9:42 am to Salmon
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Theon and Yara sailed half way around the world in 2 episodes
Just eyeballing the map, and recognizing that they would have to sail south, then east quite a bit, that is a voyage of between 2300 and 2700 leagues, depending on the route (using the reasonably accepted scale of about 1000 leagues from the Wall to Dorne). The Ironborn are great coastal sailors and at least some acumen must be assumed for deep water voyages. In the books, it was clear the crossing was treacherous (the Iron Fleet encountered a storm, the same one the held up the Volantene fleet headed for Mereen and disrupted the landings of Griff/Young Griff going the other way) - we skipped the storm and any taking of prize vessels along the way (at least these were omitted from the show). Assuming an average speed of 4 knots, that voyage could have taken 13 to 14 weeks At 6 knots (which would have been hauling arse - maximum speed of a late medieval ship was about 11 or 12 knots), they could have gotten it down to about 9 weeks.
Posted on 6/20/16 at 9:43 am to PatDyesPants
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Jon isn't very good as a battlefield commander. He abandoned his plan, ran off by himself, and left his army without a leader. Davos and Tormund then had to make decisions on the fly. Without LF riding in at the last minute his entire army would have been wiped out.
2v2 only as leaders on a battlefield: Ramsey was better than Jon.
we all know this
Posted on 6/20/16 at 9:46 am to Salmon
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we all know this
Awesome
Posted on 6/20/16 at 9:46 am to PatDyesPants
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Jon isn't very good as a battlefield commander.
He didn't do a very good job at Winterfell, but there are some emotional excuses. He did better in other situations, particularly at The Wall and Hardhome. He is also an inspirational leader, which counts for a lot in that kind of warfare.
What's unbelievable is that the Northern bannermen would blithely disregard a Stark heir (bastard or no) and follow a sadistic craven. In the show's effort to make Ramsay the most unlikeable villain ever, I think they took things too far, especially with a GNC that is essentially horsehit on the show.
Posted on 6/20/16 at 9:47 am to PatDyesPants
well you made it seem like you were about to state something controversial
Posted on 6/20/16 at 9:47 am to TigerFanInSouthland
Depends on what's happening in King's Landing. If Cersei blows KL to hell there's going to be a continuity of government crisis with no one really in charge (Littlefinger's dream come true). Also, Jaimie may need to take The Lannister army south to deal with the disaster in KL and/or prepare for Dany's invasion.
Posted on 6/20/16 at 9:48 am to Ace Midnight
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especially with a GNC that is essentially horsehit on the show.
its time guys
Posted on 6/20/16 at 9:51 am to Salmon
I don't know what why there's so much obsession with the "GNC".
Posted on 6/20/16 at 9:52 am to Ace Midnight
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Sansa isn't a "Stark" - as she will take her husband's name. Sansa (or Arya for that matter) will take her husband's name
Not necessarily. The Stark name is something that can be used in negotiating marriage. If either girl marries into a family with several sons, keeping the Stark name could be a negotiating point in exchange for more land in the North. I don't see GRRM letting the Stark name die.
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