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re: Godfather 3
Posted on 2/9/26 at 3:58 am to Morpheus
Posted on 2/9/26 at 3:58 am to Morpheus
Godfather 3 is pretty bad but not quite as bad as it's remembered.
Sofia Coppola is indeed terrible. Most bad performances can usually be overlooked but she's noticeably bad.
The biggest problem with it to me is the more modern setting. Part of what makes the Godfather films so cinematic is getting to see turn of the century Italy, New York, mid century Cuba, Vegas, etc.
The movie having a much more modern setting and look and feel makes it feel very disconnected from the other two and not nearly as "epic"
Also, trying to tie into the whole Catholic church, pope death thing, felt a little too forced. Part of what I liked about the first two as that most of plot was pretty simple, behind the scenes wheelings and dealing of crime families. Trying to tie it into such "big" things took me out of it.
Sofia Coppola is indeed terrible. Most bad performances can usually be overlooked but she's noticeably bad.
The biggest problem with it to me is the more modern setting. Part of what makes the Godfather films so cinematic is getting to see turn of the century Italy, New York, mid century Cuba, Vegas, etc.
The movie having a much more modern setting and look and feel makes it feel very disconnected from the other two and not nearly as "epic"
Also, trying to tie into the whole Catholic church, pope death thing, felt a little too forced. Part of what I liked about the first two as that most of plot was pretty simple, behind the scenes wheelings and dealing of crime families. Trying to tie it into such "big" things took me out of it.
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Posted on 2/9/26 at 6:33 am to StansberryRules
The whole first cousin thing was gross
Posted on 2/9/26 at 8:26 am to StansberryRules
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The biggest problem with it to me is the more modern setting. Part of what makes the Godfather films so cinematic is getting to see turn of the century Italy, New York, mid century Cuba, Vegas, etc.
The movie having a much more modern setting and look and feel makes it feel very disconnected from the other two and not nearly as "epic"
In fairness, the end of GF2 took place not much further back (1960) from when it was released (1974) than when GF3 took place (1979/80) from its release (1990).
Posted on 2/9/26 at 9:04 am to Morpheus
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If we are being honest the first 2 Godfather films were great for their time but not all that awesome either if you compare them to the best of the last 50 years like Goodfellas and Casino which are a couple of my favorite gangster movies.
This is a troll.
The first two Godfather are epic movies.
Goodfellas and Casino are good airplane movies. You can watch them, fall asleep, wake up, enjoy some, who cares if you missed 20-30 minutes. I'm not knocking them but its like comparing SEC football with Illinois or Penn State. There is a difference and it is not hard to see.
Posted on 2/9/26 at 9:11 am to Morpheus
I've tried to watch that movie a few times over the years and just can't get into it for very long before I seek out something else to watch. I likely won't ever watch it in its entirety.
Posted on 2/9/26 at 10:32 am to Morpheus
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If we are being honest the first 2 Godfather films were great for their time but not all that awesome either if you compare them to the best of the last 50 years like Goodfellas and Casino which are a couple of my favorite gangster movies.
this has to be a troll post
Posted on 2/9/26 at 10:37 am to TigerMyth36
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Talia Shire was even worse
this is the single most under-hated aspect of GF3. she is so fricking cringey. and that forced "now they'll fear you" wedged in there is so painful.
Posted on 2/9/26 at 11:05 am to tadman
He made a retarded statement, and then you upped the retardation to an 11. Never talk about movies again.
Posted on 2/9/26 at 11:51 am to Sus-Scrofa
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Pay Duvall his money
Yes
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cast a real actress as the daughter
Sofia Coppola was a last minute substitute after Winona Ryder backed out at the last minute. She would’ve been perfect.
Finally, ditch the cousin fricking storyline. So unnecessary and nobody wants that. Make it an extended family member if it must be a relation.
This post was edited on 2/9/26 at 11:52 am
Posted on 2/9/26 at 11:57 am to biglego
It is set far enough away from GFII that it feels disconnected, which is a good thing because it is such a drop off in quality as to lessen the charm of the first two, which are absolute gems. Also, Goodfellas is in the same category as GFI and II in terms of quality mob movies. They are all top ten. Goodfellas is just as good but different in many key ways.
Posted on 2/9/26 at 12:49 pm to rebelrouser
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Also, Goodfellas is in the same category as GFI and II in terms of quality mob movies.
it's hard to qualify these as being in the same genre IMO. yeah i know technically Godfather is a mob movie, but to me it's almost more of a family drama that just happens to take place in context of the mafia. Goodfellas is just pure mob.
Posted on 2/9/26 at 1:04 pm to Morpheus
The only good thing Godfather 3 ever gave us was this gif:
Posted on 2/9/26 at 1:05 pm to Morpheus
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If we are being honest the first 2 Godfather films were great for their time but not all that awesome either if you compare them to the best of the last 50 years like Goodfellas and Casino which are a couple of my favorite gangster movies.
You're out of your fricking mind
Posted on 2/9/26 at 1:44 pm to Morpheus
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IN MY OPINION the first 2 Godfather films were great for their time but not all that awesome either if you compare them to the best of the last 50 years like Goodfellas and Casino which are a couple of my favorite gangster movies.
FIFY. Saying "LET'S BE HONEST" somehow implies that you know better than the rest of us and we just can't admit to it. That's why you're catching so much flack. Your opinion is valid, but let's be honest, that doesn't make it factual or absolute.
Others have mentioned the two major flaws--the lack of Robert Duvall's character and the casting of Sofia Coppola.
Missing Duvall is one thing, replacing him as the family lawyer with George "Suntan" Hamilton is another. He was already an ongoing Hollywood joke because of his tan. How were we supposed to take him seriously in that role.
Other than those things I also thought it was a great movie. It mixed the plot with actual historical events of the time. It added depth where most people who didn't see it when it was released in the 80's will never get.
From Screen Rant:
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The Godfather Part III fictionalizes events surrounding the death of the real Pope John Paul I and the Papal banking scandal. The film portrays Cardinal Lamberto, played by Raf Vallone, as a moral and honest man who investigates the Vatican Bank's activities. However, upon being elected pope his life is cut short when he is poisoned by Archbishop Gilday, a character based on Paul Marcinkus, the head of the Vatican Bank. The film's depiction of these events is inspired by real-life conspiracies surrounding the Pope's death and the subsequent scandals.
This post was edited on 2/9/26 at 1:52 pm
Posted on 2/9/26 at 1:50 pm to Morpheus
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Just nothing redeemable in comparison to the first two.
The only things iconic about it are:
1. How bad a movie it is to be carrying the Godfather label,
2. How bad Sofia Coppola is in it (she's a fine director), and
3. "Just when I thought I was out..."
Is it the worst movie of all time? Of course not. Is it a terrible movie? Yep.
This post was edited on 2/10/26 at 5:41 am
Posted on 2/9/26 at 1:53 pm to parrotdr
The plot was too convoluted. The Vatican bank stuff was just distracting. There was some bad casting. Hamilton and Sofia Coppola. Also the opera singing son subplot was stupid. Between casting and story, the movie was doomed.
Posted on 2/9/26 at 2:19 pm to HueyLongJr
Would’ve been a better movie if Sofia had directed and Francis had played the daughter.
Posted on 2/9/26 at 4:12 pm to parrotdr
Yes and good point,
It is my only opinion that I really liked the first 2 and found them good, but I never found them overwhelmingly great like some here obviously feel about them.
And that’s ok.
Obviously I’m the odd man out on that view.
But my overall OP was about #3 and that one I think we all can agree was pretty bad all around.
It is my only opinion that I really liked the first 2 and found them good, but I never found them overwhelmingly great like some here obviously feel about them.
And that’s ok.
Obviously I’m the odd man out on that view.
But my overall OP was about #3 and that one I think we all can agree was pretty bad all around.
Posted on 2/9/26 at 5:39 pm to Morpheus
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But never been that big of a fan of Pacino and his over acting at times.
Scent of a Woman is community college acting class bad.
This post was edited on 2/9/26 at 6:04 pm
Posted on 2/9/26 at 6:24 pm to habz007
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But I have to believe it would’ve been much better with Robert Duvall instead of George Hamilton.
It would have been miles and away better. The second film was already setting up what the original story for The Godfather Part III was supposed to be about: Tom vs. Michael. Their relationship was strained throughout Part II and Fredo's murder would have been enough to have completely broken Tom and Michael's relationship. Part III would have brought the sins of Michael's past to the fore in a final confrontation with his former consigliere.
Alas, the studio wouldn't pay Duvall what he thought he was worth. Rather than re-casting the role, they went in a completely different direction.
This post was edited on 2/9/26 at 6:27 pm
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