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re: Game of Thrones S7 E6 "Beyond The Wall" MAESTERS THREAD NO SPOILERS

Posted on 8/20/17 at 11:53 pm to
Posted by SoDakHawk
South Dakota
Member since Jun 2014
10642 posts
Posted on 8/20/17 at 11:53 pm to
First, frick every one of you people that posted spoilers. Right when Dani headed north I knew the NK was going to get a dragon.

Second, the writing has suffered. This show has gone from a character driven show with great plot and subtle nuances to an all out action show with little depth, that said, the conversations with Tormund were awesome.

Finally, the whole Arya v Sansa subplot is the most interesting thing going in the show. What happens there is a mystery. I know we should believe that they would both be on Team Stark, but listening to Arya tonight reminded me of how much Arya did despise Sansa.
Posted by Sneaky__Sally
Member since Jul 2015
12364 posts
Posted on 8/20/17 at 11:55 pm to
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Finally, the whole Arya v Sansa subplot is the most interesting thing going in the show. What happens there is a mystery. I know we should believe that they would both be on Team Stark, but listening to Arya tonight reminded me of how much Arya did despise Sansa.


I agree, not sure what angle is getting played. It I find it and Jaime's storyline the most intriguing right now
Posted by TigerFanInSouthland
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2012
28065 posts
Posted on 8/20/17 at 11:58 pm to
Bad battlefield commander? How? His original strategy for BotB was as sound as you could get. It's not his fault Sansa is one of the biggest cúnt bitches in Westeros and didn't tell him about the KotV. If she had, he would've adjusted his plans accordingly and held out longer until the KotV got there.

At the Battle of Castle Black, he incorporated the defense of the Wall as good as anybody could then went down and was at the front of the battle. He defeated an enemy that outnumbered him maybe 1000:1 and you're gonna sit here and tell me he sucks in battle?

The only questionable thing I have was this excursion North.

You clearly haven't read the same books or watched the same show as I have.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
120445 posts
Posted on 8/20/17 at 11:58 pm to
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First, frick every one of you people that posted spoilers. Right when Dani headed north I knew the NK was going to get a dragon.


Yeah in the 3 Eyed Raven thread we were wanting to call them all out, but doing so obviously would have confirmed it. There should be head, spikes, and walls all around.
Posted by saintsfan92612
Taiwan
Member since Oct 2008
30444 posts
Posted on 8/20/17 at 11:59 pm to
I think Arya is smarter than we are giving her credit for. She is playing both Sansa and Littlefinger.

Arya may have doubted Sansa going into this episode but she was relieved of the doubt while talking with Sansa, but didn't want to show it so Sansa can tell LF how crazy little sister is. Arya is waiting for LF to slip up.

I still want Sansa to be the one to kill LF, but I would not be upset at all if Arya kills him and wears his face for a little while.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
120445 posts
Posted on 8/20/17 at 11:59 pm to
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Bad battlefield commander? How? His original strategy for BotB was as sound as you could get. It's not his fault Sansa is one of the biggest cúnt bitches in Westeros and didn't tell him about the KotV. If she had, he would've adjusted his plans accordingly and held out longer until the KotV got there.


He was a dumbass to run after Rickon.
Posted by TigerFanInSouthland
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2012
28065 posts
Posted on 8/21/17 at 12:00 am to
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He was a dumbass to run after Rickon.


You wouldn't go try to save your brother? I don't hold that against him because I'd do the same exact fricking thing.
Posted by saintsfan92612
Taiwan
Member since Oct 2008
30444 posts
Posted on 8/21/17 at 12:01 am to
yep. Sansa told him that it was a trap and he goes off running solo. As Tyrion said tonight, sometimes the hardest thing to do is nothing, but sometimes it is the right thing to do.
Posted by ladytiger118
Member since Aug 2009
20922 posts
Posted on 8/21/17 at 12:01 am to
This whole season Dany has said "I can't have children, I'm infertile, etc." because of Miri Maz Dur.

Plus Jorah told Jon to pass on the sword to his children.

I just don't know how they'll have time next season to progress a pregnancy if Cersei can't even grow her hair .
This post was edited on 8/21/17 at 12:03 am
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
120445 posts
Posted on 8/21/17 at 12:01 am to
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You wouldn't go try to save your brother? I don't hold that against him because I'd do the same exact fricking thing.


To be fair to Jon, Rickon was a dumbass for not running in zigzags.
Posted by Sneaky__Sally
Member since Jul 2015
12364 posts
Posted on 8/21/17 at 12:02 am to
His original plan may have worked - if he hadn't made the decision to run forward and abandon it Sansa was an idiot for not telling him and Jon was an idiot for abandoning the plan.

I'm not going over he whole back end of it again, he defended well from a great high ground position which was very well fortified and held off until stannis came and defeated them. Good job Jon but that was all covered plenty last time and no need to do it again.

But excursion up north was idiotic and ultimately disastrous.
This post was edited on 8/21/17 at 8:35 am
Posted by fargobison
Member since Aug 2011
4453 posts
Posted on 8/21/17 at 12:02 am to
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It's just bizarrely impractical to go on a suicide mission to convince someone as batty as Cersei.




I agree the mission was stupid. That said, I think it is more for Jaime. Tyrion knows his sister is a lost cause but Jaime could maybe be turned.
Posted by weagle99
Member since Nov 2011
35893 posts
Posted on 8/21/17 at 12:02 am to
If there ever is a Westerosi Olympics, Nights King will win Javelin, probably all throwing events.

Gendry will win rowing and all long distance events.

-from reddit
Posted by TigerFanInSouthland
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2012
28065 posts
Posted on 8/21/17 at 12:02 am to
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Sansa told him that it was a trap and he goes off running solo


Meanwhile Sansa was doing the exact same thing by being a righteous bitch and withholding valuable information from him that could've saved thousands of lives. Let's just gloss over that.
Posted by SoDakHawk
South Dakota
Member since Jun 2014
10642 posts
Posted on 8/21/17 at 12:03 am to
Another thing, why didn't Benjen just go with Jon? He says, "there's no time." What does that even mean? There's no time so I guess I'll just stay here and die for certain? Dude, just jump on the horse and go with him.
Posted by TheChosenOne
Member since Dec 2005
18873 posts
Posted on 8/21/17 at 12:03 am to
I could have watched a whole episode of Tormund, The Hound, Beric, and Thoros bullshitting.

If only we could add Bronn to that crew in place of Thoros...that would be amazing.
Posted by Carson123987
Middle Court at the Rec
Member since Jul 2011
68038 posts
Posted on 8/21/17 at 12:04 am to
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"there's no time." What does that even mean?


"there's no time to spend on properly closing my plotline, i need to die. Go!"
Posted by jefforize
Member since Feb 2008
45901 posts
Posted on 8/21/17 at 12:04 am to
Streamable of beric and thoros lighting their swords.

LINK

Pretty awesome.
Posted by Sneaky__Sally
Member since Jul 2015
12364 posts
Posted on 8/21/17 at 12:05 am to
Lol
Posted by ladytiger118
Member since Aug 2009
20922 posts
Posted on 8/21/17 at 12:05 am to
I had the same thoughts in regards to Benjen. I guess they just wanted to give his character some sort of closure .

I was hoping they would've caught Hodor out there as the Wight they bring to King's Landing.
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