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Posted on 5/16/16 at 10:11 am to SlowFlowPro
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but robert wasn't married to cersei until after everything was settled, iirc
damn
Posted on 5/16/16 at 10:13 am to Kujo
you gotta remember the lannisters were a wild card
they stayed out until it was clear who was going to win and then they went to KL, jaime let them in, they slaughtered everyone, jaime killed the king, and then the lannisters held KL. robert gets there and they can either fight with the lannisters or make peace. they chose peace, and cersei was promised to robert
arryn/robert are cool with what jaime and tywinn did, ned gets butthurt, and goes to finish up the rest of the war + get his sister
they stayed out until it was clear who was going to win and then they went to KL, jaime let them in, they slaughtered everyone, jaime killed the king, and then the lannisters held KL. robert gets there and they can either fight with the lannisters or make peace. they chose peace, and cersei was promised to robert
arryn/robert are cool with what jaime and tywinn did, ned gets butthurt, and goes to finish up the rest of the war + get his sister
This post was edited on 5/16/16 at 10:14 am
Posted on 5/16/16 at 10:14 am to RollTide1987
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I have a feeling it's going to be slightly more complicated than that. Something tells me the Bolton Army will number well above 5,000 men before all is said and done.
Well yeah they will have a few houses join, but Danny and the WW army would be complete overkill. Plus the Danny aspect wouldnt make sense.
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Plus there's no guarantee Littlefinger will cooperate when he learns that a potential male heir to Winterfell is still alive, free from his oath to the Night's Watch, and of age.
Again, LF explicitly stated he knew she would go the Castle Black to link up with Jon. He may not know about the whole dying and oathbreaking thing, but he is well aware that Jon is alive.
Posted on 5/16/16 at 10:17 am to Kujo
They find Lyanna after the rebellion is settled.
Rhaegar "kidnaps" (though not really) Lyanna
Rickard and Brandon (Ned's father and older brother) go to KL to protest. Aerys (Rhaegar's father) has them killed.
Aerys calls for Robert (Lyanna's fiancé) and Ned's heads. Jon Arryn, their guardian, says frick it and marries Ned to Catelyn (Brandon's former fiancée) and he marries her sister Lysa. That gives them houses Stark, Tully, Arryn, and Baratheon.
Battle on the Trident, Robert kills Rhaegar.
Tywin's makes a late decision to throw in with Robert and marches on KL. Aerys thinks he is there to help the Targaryens and throws open the gates. Tywin sacks KL, Jaime kills Aerys, Gregor kills Elia (Rhaegar's wife) and her children. This all to prove his loyalty since he was a late joiner.
Ned marched down to Storm's End (Baratheon ancestral house) and lifts the Tyrell (Targaryen loyalist) siege.
Ned goes hunting for Lyanna. Robert marries Cersei to shore up alliance with Tywin.
There is almost no time when Ned and Cersei were in the same city.
Rhaegar "kidnaps" (though not really) Lyanna
Rickard and Brandon (Ned's father and older brother) go to KL to protest. Aerys (Rhaegar's father) has them killed.
Aerys calls for Robert (Lyanna's fiancé) and Ned's heads. Jon Arryn, their guardian, says frick it and marries Ned to Catelyn (Brandon's former fiancée) and he marries her sister Lysa. That gives them houses Stark, Tully, Arryn, and Baratheon.
Battle on the Trident, Robert kills Rhaegar.
Tywin's makes a late decision to throw in with Robert and marches on KL. Aerys thinks he is there to help the Targaryens and throws open the gates. Tywin sacks KL, Jaime kills Aerys, Gregor kills Elia (Rhaegar's wife) and her children. This all to prove his loyalty since he was a late joiner.
Ned marched down to Storm's End (Baratheon ancestral house) and lifts the Tyrell (Targaryen loyalist) siege.
Ned goes hunting for Lyanna. Robert marries Cersei to shore up alliance with Tywin.
There is almost no time when Ned and Cersei were in the same city.
Posted on 5/16/16 at 10:20 am to CorporateTiger
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Ned goes hunting for Lyanna. Robert marries Cersei to shore up alliance with Tywin.
So Robert's beef in all this was the woman ...he wouldn't have end up marrying if she lived?
Sure about this?
ETA: are you saying that Robert married Cersi before he knew that Lyanne was dead?
This post was edited on 5/16/16 at 10:22 am
Posted on 5/16/16 at 10:20 am to Kujo
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Seems kind of pointless to have that black baby hair story if it didn't have a deeper implication.
The black haired baby was the only baby Cersei had that Robert fathered. Sheesh, that was the WHOLE POINT of that story!
This post was edited on 5/16/16 at 10:21 am
Posted on 5/16/16 at 10:21 am to More beer please
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He may not know about the whole dying and oathbreaking thing, but he is well aware that Jon is alive.
I know. Hence the second and third points I made. He has no idea that Jon is now in line to be Warden of the North.
Posted on 5/16/16 at 10:22 am to Kujo
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ETA: are you saying that Robert married Cersi before he knew that Lyanne was dead?
pretty sure he didn't
he was hot headed and loved battle. if tywinn tried to force him to marry cersei when lyanna was alive, robert would have gone to war
Posted on 5/16/16 at 10:24 am to Kujo
Yes. She was effectively did honored by that point. Additionally it was crazy important to ensure that Tywin didn't try to seize power himself (he is generally the most powerful house lord in Westeros).
Robert's love for Lyanna is a weird thing because he clearly enjoyed the company of numerous ladies.
Robert's love for Lyanna is a weird thing because he clearly enjoyed the company of numerous ladies.
Posted on 5/16/16 at 10:26 am to RollTide1987
Right, but he is aware its still a possibility as long as any of the Starks are alive.
Regardless, he cant be the Warden of the North unless he married Sansa. With her dead set on reclaiming her home, he has no choice but to help them. Yeah he could have the stark boys picked off somehow, but he still needs Jon alive now to re-take WF.
Regardless, he cant be the Warden of the North unless he married Sansa. With her dead set on reclaiming her home, he has no choice but to help them. Yeah he could have the stark boys picked off somehow, but he still needs Jon alive now to re-take WF.
Posted on 5/16/16 at 10:27 am to Kujo
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So Robert's beef in all this was the woman
Robert's beef was Ned's beef. The Mad King had executed Ned's father and brother and then demanded the arrest of Ned Stark.
Posted on 5/16/16 at 10:39 am to Kujo
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Seems kind of pointless to have that black baby hair story if it didn't have a deeper implication.
The point was to demonstrate this was the only true Baratheon child Cersei gave birth to. It was further emphasized when Ned did the research into bloodlines. All of the Bartheons were "black of hair." Joffrey, Marcella, and Tommen are/were golden haired...and Lannisters fathered by Jamie.
Posted on 5/16/16 at 10:43 am to Salmon
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"The king was killed after Ned's sister died?"
yes
watch the TOJ scene from last episode again
Looks like you need to watch that scene again.
Posted on 5/16/16 at 10:46 am to Esquire
sorry I meant to say "no"Posted on 5/16/16 at 10:54 am to Salmon
Hope this isn't taboo:
Just sayin', the black hair baby would be 14 if she got knocked up near the wedding.
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Fifteen years before the events of the series, Cersei married King Robert Baratheon to seal an alliance between House Lannister and the throne and so became Queen of the Seven Kingdoms, but she neither loves nor respects Robert after years of abuse and violence.
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In A Game of Thrones, Jon Snow is the 14-year-old bastard son of Eddard "Ned" Stark, lord of Winterfell
Just sayin', the black hair baby would be 14 if she got knocked up near the wedding.
Posted on 5/16/16 at 11:10 am to Kujo
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Just sayin', the black hair baby would be 14 if she got knocked up near the wedding.
Dude, I think you need to let this thing go.
Posted on 5/16/16 at 11:30 am to Pectus
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I usually zone out during monologues
WTF? The monologues supply more information than most other scenes.
You take being a Hodor to a new level. A Hodor that doesn't read or listen.
Posted on 5/16/16 at 11:38 am to NS Who Dat Nation
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Dude, I think you need to let this thing go.
Yeah...this is the stupidest theory I have ever read.
Posted on 5/16/16 at 11:49 am to rondo
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Yeah...this is the stupidest theory I have ever read.
that Cersi and Ned had the hots for each other but because of the Kidnapping and the need to join houses they couldn't be together? Ned had to marry his brother's wife, Cersi had to marry Robert for the family.
Neither had any aspirations of their own?
(cept maybe Cersi/Jamie, but that was because of her hatred for Robert)
"stupid"? Seems like a plausible backstory, unless things in the book say it isn't possible.
This post was edited on 5/16/16 at 11:50 am
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