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re: Game Of Thrones S5:E10 "Mother's Mercy" BOOK READER THREAD

Posted on 6/15/15 at 4:29 pm to
Posted by wildtigercat93
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Posted on 6/15/15 at 4:29 pm to
I think it's possible

But to me resurrecting Jon Snow this season would have been better than this "no no no I swear he's dead!(fingers crossed)" game they are playing

They aren't going to be able to keep it under wraps for long, youre fighting an inevitability
This post was edited on 6/15/15 at 4:30 pm
Posted by jefforize
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Posted on 6/15/15 at 4:30 pm to
Well considering zombie mountain was literally the scene directly before For the Watch...
Posted by wildtigercat93
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Posted on 6/15/15 at 4:31 pm to
Yeah I think Allister was a little too obvious for it to be a betrayal but only like 5 crows have been given screen time so they needed him there as a familiar face I guess
Posted by GCTiger11
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Posted on 6/15/15 at 4:32 pm to
I think I'm about to jump into my first reread. Read all 5 two summers ago, and I feel like some info is slipping my mind
Posted by Azazello
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 6/15/15 at 4:32 pm to
Ser Aliser is just doing anything for power. He is still bitter being in the NW in the first place imo.

I can't remember if it was Tywin or Robert who allowed him to take the black.
Posted by Fun Bunch
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Posted on 6/15/15 at 4:33 pm to
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Well considering zombie mountain was literally the scene directly before For the Watch...




Yes but he wasn't brought back by a red priest. He was brought back by "science".

Catelyn Stark's reanimated corpse I think would have been a big deal. I also think they have a penchant for "combining characters" and I think undeadJon Snow will get some LSH elements and go about avengin'.
Posted by jefforize
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Posted on 6/15/15 at 4:36 pm to
Bronn needs bad pussy.
Bronn steals Ser Pounce confirmed.
Posted by blueboy
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Posted on 6/15/15 at 4:38 pm to
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I could see most of the Night's Watch being stupid and petty enough to kill Jon since most of them are basically rapist and thieves. But Ser Alliser should know better, especially after the reports of the Walker army. They should've left him out of the mutiny.
That's why the departure from the book is stupid. The wildlings might understand them killing him for desertion. That's what they do, and the wildlings know that. Killing him for letting them through not only pisses them off but is a direct insult and threat to them.
Posted by Fun Bunch
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Posted on 6/15/15 at 4:39 pm to
Its likely that JS will be brought back to life before the wildlings even know about it. Like...first scene of next season.
Posted by blueboy
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Posted on 6/15/15 at 4:53 pm to
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Its likely that JS will be brought back to life before the wildlings even know about it. Like...first scene of next season.
True, but if he's not LC anymore, and the remaining NW still want to kick the wildlings off of The Gift, they're still screwed.

And it's still a stupid decision because they have no reason to believe he'll be brought back to life.
Posted by ohiovol
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 6/15/15 at 4:53 pm to
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That was the worst book departure, IMO. In the book, they kill him because he's an oathbreaker. They have every right to kill him. On the show, they're murdering him for doing something unpopular. They all deserve to be executed.



Strongly disagree. It felt way to quick and out of nowhere when they did it in the books. They set it up (in both the books and the show) that the decisions regarding the wildlings was unpopular, and it made sense that he was killed for it in the show. In the books, it felt like they were way too quick to attack him for deserting before he even left.
Posted by ohiovol
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Posted on 6/15/15 at 4:55 pm to
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They should've left him out of the mutiny.


Agreed. He comes across poorly, but not as an enemy.
Posted by Hugo Stiglitz
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 6/15/15 at 4:57 pm to
What pisses me off the MOST about the show and the books at this point is there is absolutely ZERO exit strategy emerging out of Mereen. I'm now convinced Mereen gets burned to the ground and Dany just says, "frick it, I'm going home."

In the books you have the Yunkai and all the sell swords with the two other dragons going HAM. Tyrion and Dany now have to meet up in all that mess. And that's a much bigger mess than the show has.

In the show, Dany shows up with her new Dothraki army and her Dragon... The Dothraki do what they do best to Mereen, Dany says, "frick this city, I'm out." That's about the best case scenario so it's definitely not going down like that.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
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Posted on 6/15/15 at 5:00 pm to
Some stuff from reddit, some old, some new:

Sansa Catches a Break











This post was edited on 6/15/15 at 5:03 pm
Posted by Bamatab
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 6/15/15 at 5:01 pm to
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True, but if he's not LC anymore, and the remaining NW still want to kick the wildlings off of The Gift, they're still screwed.

Good luck in kicking them out of The Gift now that the NW no longer has Stannis' army to back them up. Again, they are massively outnumbered now. Alliser should've just not opened the gate if he felt that strongly about the Wildlings not crossing to the other side of the wall. It's a little late now.
Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
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Posted on 6/15/15 at 5:03 pm to
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In the books, it felt like they were way too quick to attack him for deserting before he even left.
He had just announced that he was deserting. I think the "felt too quick" impression you got was supposed to be shock value.
Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
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Posted on 6/15/15 at 5:05 pm to
And that's another thing. In the books, the wildlings are right there at CB. A huge fight is going to break out between them all immediately after this stabbing.
Posted by bodask42
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Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 6/15/15 at 5:09 pm to
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Alliser should've just not opened the gate if he felt that strongly about the Wildlings


He couldn't openly disobey the lord commander's orders, lest he suffer the same fate as Slynt. So Thorne and his conspirators begrudgingly let them through, knowing they would assassinate
Jon under the cloak of night. Now they have some plausible deniability and won't be labelled mutineers and executed.
Posted by ohiovol
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 6/15/15 at 5:09 pm to
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He had just announced that he was deserting. I think the "felt too quick" impression you got was supposed to be shock value.



That's the thing. The first time he left, a group of guys went and got him. In the last book, he barely finished announcing that he was leaving before a group of guys rushed and stabbed him. Also, "for the watch" makes way more sense from the perspective of hating the wildlings.
This post was edited on 6/15/15 at 5:12 pm
Posted by bodask42
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Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 6/15/15 at 5:16 pm to
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Also, "for the watch" makes way more sense from the perspective of hating the wildlings.



Eh, I could kinda go either way on this one, but in this case I will side with the books. I think the books did a better job of explaining/showing Jon bungling up as a leader.. and it was capped off by him making the rash decision to abandon the Nights Watch for a personal battle. That was the last straw and the stabbing commenced.

In the show Jon is 100% fricking correct about letting the wildlings through and realizing that the real fight is against the Others. He sticks to his guns and never abandons the watch. He just killed by some racist assholes, haha.

I got the sense that the mutineers in the book were regretful about the act but knew it had to be done. The a-holes in the show were just full of hate even though they knew the White Walkers were the bigger threat.
This post was edited on 6/15/15 at 5:17 pm
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