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re: Game of Thrones S4:E2:"The Lion and the Rose", HODORS ONLY (no book readers)

Posted on 4/14/14 at 5:42 pm to
Posted by KosmoCramer
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Posted on 4/14/14 at 5:42 pm to
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Oberyn supposedly dislikes all the Lannisters in general (though he blames Tywin in particular for his sister's death). He was poking fun at Cersei's (now temporary) loss of her title as Queen.


Dislike and poking fun =/= Killing

It would be against his honor to kill people that weren't explicitly involved IMO. It wouldn't satisfy the revenge that he holds.

Maybe I'm wrong, that's just how I see it.
Posted by xXLSUXx
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Posted on 4/14/14 at 5:43 pm to
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I said sorry...


Is that what SIAP means to you?

Thought it was "Seen In Another Post"
Posted by iluvdatiger
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 4/14/14 at 5:44 pm to
What if each diamond/crystal on Sansa's necklace has poison in it! She could kill like 7 or 8 people!

I'm still not on board 100% with grandma being the assassin. I mean, she went on and on about how much money she was spending on this wedding. Why spend so much money on a lavish event just to tarnish it?
Posted by You will Artichokes
Member since May 2006
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Posted on 4/14/14 at 5:48 pm to
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Why spend so much money on a lavish event just to tarnish it?


alibi

"Why would she be behind this after how much money she spent on this event?" She is taking suspicion off of herself.
This post was edited on 4/14/14 at 5:49 pm
Posted by xXLSUXx
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Posted on 4/14/14 at 5:51 pm to
I think everyone tried to kill him. There were probably 7 or 8 different poisons he was choking on at that moment.

It's like one of those old comedy moments, "Wait, you spiked the punch? But I spiked the punch too!"

Everyone is quietly hoping they don't get found out.
Posted by THRILLHO
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Member since Apr 2006
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Posted on 4/14/14 at 5:52 pm to
Had no idea what they looked like, but the band that Joffrey threw money at was Sigur Ros:
LINK
Posted by ClydeFrog
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Posted on 4/14/14 at 5:56 pm to
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Between the readers in here making themselves feel all warm and fuzzy under the guise of being "smart" hodors, and readers trying to "help", I think I'm done posting in this thread.


Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 4/14/14 at 6:01 pm to
I haven't been on facebook since. I don't want any of those smart book readers to ruin it over there either
Posted by KosmoCramer
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Posted on 4/14/14 at 6:09 pm to
Speaking of the Fire Queen,

Didn't she jynx Joffrey last year? Has that been discussed?

And also my main girl Arya asked him to be killed, is the faceless man behind this?
Posted by Jet12
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Posted on 4/14/14 at 6:15 pm to
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Didn't she jynx Joffrey last year? Has that been discussed?


Probably. She jinxed Robb Stark, Joffrey, and Balon Greyjoy. 2 for 3 so far.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 4/14/14 at 6:19 pm to
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I feel like Sansa has been in very much a similar position as Theon. Held against her will and tortured, albeit mostly mental/emotional/vocal torture as opposed to the physical torture of Theon.


I see this parallel - particularly the issue over divided and conflicting loyalties leading up to this confusion over what to do and how to do it.

Posted by KosmoCramer
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Posted on 4/14/14 at 6:20 pm to
I just feel like she has fake magic, but she birthed a fricking demon so there's that.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 4/14/14 at 6:21 pm to
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Didn't she jynx Joffrey last year?


It was actually Stannis who said the names - the Red Woman just drew the blood (and presumably, taught Stannis the ritual).

This post was edited on 4/14/14 at 6:22 pm
Posted by KosmoCramer
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Posted on 4/14/14 at 6:22 pm to
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I see this parallel - particularly the issue over divided and conflicting loyalties leading up to this confusion over what to do and how to do it.



I can see the conflicting loyalties to a point, but there is no way in hell in my mind that Theon has been turned to be working with that bolton that cut off his balls. He is biding his time IMO to where he can act and still have a fighting chance.

If he did it with the razoe, it would be his death in 20 seconds. Also, he can have more of an impact if he makes them think he's their little Reek bitch IMO.

Posted by Jet12
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Posted on 4/14/14 at 6:24 pm to
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I just feel like she has fake magic, but she birthed a fricking demon so there's that.


Yeah, it's hard to tell what is actually magic and what's just a show. Sure, 2 of the 3 people she named have ended up dead so far, but they probably had it coming anyway.
Posted by Jet12
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Posted on 4/14/14 at 6:27 pm to
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I can see the conflicting loyalties to a point, but there is no way in hell in my mind that Theon has been turned to be working with that bolton that cut off his balls. He is biding his time IMO to where he can act and still have a fighting chance.


I dunno. I think he's totally broken. His favorite "toy" has been taken away, his family no longer wants him, and the family he grew up with is in shambles. All that plus Ramsay's complete insanity has probably done a huge number on his own sanity and will to fight.

ETA: Plus the whole Sansa parallel about having no one left, really, and sticking with the people you're with even if they're torturing you, just to have someone to belong with.
This post was edited on 4/14/14 at 6:28 pm
Posted by KosmoCramer
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Posted on 4/14/14 at 6:30 pm to
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I dunno. I think he's totally broken. His favorite "toy" has been taken away, his family no longer wants him, and the family he grew up with is in shambles. All that plus Ramsay's complete insanity has probably done a huge number on his own sanity and will to fight.


He revealed that the boys got away because he didn't think it would be that big of an issue. He didn't know Robb was dead at that point, they would have a lot less political value to the Boltons.

We will see, but they are making a pretty big deal about Theon. He has a role in this at some point unless it was to make Bran a target and move the story along.
Posted by UMRealist
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Posted on 4/14/14 at 6:31 pm to
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Is that what SIAP means to you? Thought it was "Seen In Another Post"


Sorry If Already Posted
Posted by Jet12
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Posted on 4/14/14 at 6:38 pm to
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We will see, but they are making a pretty big deal about Theon. He has a role in this at some point unless it was to make Bran a target and move the story along.


Ramsay's dragging him along to fight the Ironborn at Moat Cailin, so there has to be some kind of interaction there, I'm guessing?
Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 4/14/14 at 6:42 pm to
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ETA: Plus the whole Sansa parallel about having no one left, really, and sticking with the people you're with even if they're torturing you, just to have someone to belong with.


I don't think she's sticking with them. If she was, she'd have fricked Tyrion by now.

She is just trying to survive, but to what end? I don't think she has a plan but I don't think she is trying to fit in. She will get out of there if she can, why didn't she leave with Littlefinger on the boat? Because of Shea?
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