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Posted on 6/16/14 at 2:15 pm to Byron Bojangles III
Yeah its become evident that there are some book readers, or at least people who read spoilers online, posting in the hodor thread. Its annoying as shite and not fair to those who don't know any better
Posted on 6/16/14 at 2:15 pm to Byron Bojangles III
I would vote for car ramrod as king hodor
doesn't see the point in making up theories...only a hodor would believe that, not to mention the theories abound in regards to coldhand, excuse me where the frick is coldhands, and the 3 eyed crow, and Sandor's current status
doesn't see the point in making up theories...only a hodor would believe that, not to mention the theories abound in regards to coldhand, excuse me where the frick is coldhands, and the 3 eyed crow, and Sandor's current status
Posted on 6/16/14 at 2:17 pm to DelU249
He later said he didn't read the books but he "saw a youtube video that explained the theory"
Worthy of the banhammer.
Worthy of the banhammer.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 2:24 pm to tween the hedges
I think anyone of modern intelligence with only the show as a reference can deduce that theory
I did. With only this
1. Ned is honorable to a fault. Why would he have a bastard? It doesn't make sense.
2. Jon reflecting on ends death meaning he'll never know who his mother is (book)(really where the light came on for me)
If you have paid enough attention to the show and know about roberts rebellion (which they don't mention the specifics of past season 1) then yeah, it's an easy conclusion.
#1 was 95% of the equation for me. I would have had it by season 3 had I not read the books
Ned, so much honor it kills him, but he has a bastard?
I did. With only this
1. Ned is honorable to a fault. Why would he have a bastard? It doesn't make sense.
2. Jon reflecting on ends death meaning he'll never know who his mother is (book)(really where the light came on for me)
If you have paid enough attention to the show and know about roberts rebellion (which they don't mention the specifics of past season 1) then yeah, it's an easy conclusion.
#1 was 95% of the equation for me. I would have had it by season 3 had I not read the books
Ned, so much honor it kills him, but he has a bastard?
Posted on 6/16/14 at 2:26 pm to Brown Mountain
quote:
I am sure it is stated explicitly in the books but it has been a while, but why is Cersei so intent on having the Mountain live? Future uses I am guessing?
It's not explicitly stated in the books, but sometimes while watching the show it can be easy to forget the the Cleganes are major bannermen of the Lannisters. They're not just a random unaffiliated house of the realm. Gregor Clegane is Tywin Lannister's personal terror machine, and he turns him loose when he needs to make an impression.
Cersei has no feelings for Gregor outside of knowing that he's her family's favorite weapon. She just wants the Lannister attack dog up and healthy again.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 2:27 pm to DelU249
Reading ace's post and he basically uses the same line of thinking I did. Ned havin a bastard just sits wrong. And if Jon isn't his bastard? Why woul he lie about it? Obviously to protect him? Why would that be. R+L=J
Posted on 6/16/14 at 2:28 pm to SpqrTiger
quote:
More like Gendry is Roberts and Cersei's child.....Cersei wanted to mimic the Targaryens in having pure blood heirs....when Gendry was born, she knew he was Robert's so she and Jamie faked his death(she loves her children too much to kill them)...that's why Robert never acknowledge him, and his "mother"(random tavern whore) died at birth...but someone(lannister) was paying for his upbringing and apprenticeship.
that's solid crackpotting for a hodor
quote:
but I've seen a YouTube video that explains all that without spoilers for the show....
So basically, it's the books in video form?
"irony" said hordor
This post was edited on 6/16/14 at 2:30 pm
Posted on 6/16/14 at 2:32 pm to DelU249
quote:
R+L=J
Given what has been said in the show, I find it extremely unlikely that a Hodor would even think this. It has been mentioned as a theory a few times in the Hodor thread and it makes me suspicious. I personally would not remember this at all. The only person I would remember is Lyanna, but I wouldn't be able to tell you who Rhaegar was without looking it up on the internet.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 2:32 pm to Dire Wolf
ok Kash is King Hodor
Posted on 6/16/14 at 2:37 pm to JumpingTheShark
I did it. I mean they don't mention roberts rebellion much in the show but it's something I remembered from season 1. I never read book 1, I got it less than halfway into book 2.
Ned's code of honor and a bastard didn't sit right with me. Cat mentions him coming home from the war with a bastard. Ned just decided to check on his whore on the way back?
Once you are convinced jon isn't Ned's son, it is easy. Whose baby is this and why would he lie? It must be something big. It would have to be for family.
Some just watch the show. Others watch it, think about it, maybe rewatch it. The latter group of people can reach that decision as soon as they become convinced jon is not Ned's son
Ned's code of honor and a bastard didn't sit right with me. Cat mentions him coming home from the war with a bastard. Ned just decided to check on his whore on the way back?
Once you are convinced jon isn't Ned's son, it is easy. Whose baby is this and why would he lie? It must be something big. It would have to be for family.
Some just watch the show. Others watch it, think about it, maybe rewatch it. The latter group of people can reach that decision as soon as they become convinced jon is not Ned's son
This post was edited on 6/16/14 at 2:40 pm
Posted on 6/16/14 at 2:39 pm to DelU249
iluv is a hodor? So shameful.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 2:42 pm to DelU249
The biggest piece of it for me though was if I have strictly watched only the shows, I find it hard to keep up with all of the Targaryens (i.e. I wouldn't remember who Rhaegar is). In passing, hearing all of their names makes them all sounds alike. It's probably just me though. I have only seen each episode once. I remember them pretty well, but I bet if I rewatched them (having read the books now) I would pick up a lot more useful info. For me, the timeline went like this:
I watched two and a half seasons, then started and finished the books, then went back to watching the show, but I haven't rewatched any episodes yet. I probably will soon though.
I watched two and a half seasons, then started and finished the books, then went back to watching the show, but I haven't rewatched any episodes yet. I probably will soon though.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 2:45 pm to JumpingTheShark
I feel like I didnt realize the Jon Snow lineage until book 4-5.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 2:50 pm to JumpingTheShark
especially when some are the 2nd and 3rd of their names
Posted on 6/16/14 at 2:52 pm to JumpingTheShark
I read the books after watching the first few seasons and I didn't find it hard to speculate about Jon's true parents well before I read the books.
For starters, there's this huge focus from day one on Jon Snow. The question of who is his mother is discussed between Jon and Ned & Ned and Robert. Both conversations have Ned refusing to speak on it. These are conversations designed to create questions.
The show has a huge focus on Jon. And Jon being a bastard is discussed constantly. And Jon wonders who his mom is aloud. Hell, Jon at this point looks like the show's penultimate hero. Not hard to wonder where this is going.
For starters, there's this huge focus from day one on Jon Snow. The question of who is his mother is discussed between Jon and Ned & Ned and Robert. Both conversations have Ned refusing to speak on it. These are conversations designed to create questions.
The show has a huge focus on Jon. And Jon being a bastard is discussed constantly. And Jon wonders who his mom is aloud. Hell, Jon at this point looks like the show's penultimate hero. Not hard to wonder where this is going.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 2:55 pm to DelU249
quote:
I think anyone of modern intelligence with only the show as a reference can deduce that theory
I did. With only this
1. Ned is honorable to a fault. Why would he have a bastard? It doesn't make sense.
2. Jon reflecting on ends death meaning he'll never know who his mother is (book)(really where the light came on for me)
If you have paid enough attention to the show and know about roberts rebellion (which they don't mention the specifics of past season 1) then yeah, it's an easy conclusion.
#1 was 95% of the equation for me. I would have had it by season 3 had I not read the books
Ned, so much honor it kills him, but he has a bastard?
And Oberyn telling Tyrion in S4E1 about Rhaegar running off with some other woman.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 2:56 pm to JumpingTheShark
I watched the first season, watched it again because I didn't have shite to do. After that, I was convinced jon wasn't ned's kid (I hadn't read one page to this point) I didn't really think past it but my reasoning to that point was
1. Ned died for his honor
2. Ned's honorable actions to that point, carrying out the sentence, killing sansa's dire wolf, backing stannis even though he wasn't in King's Landing. Wouldn't take part in Dany's murder. Confronting Cerseii as to give her time to flee with her children. Risked everything with Robert dead without any personal ambitions.
some of these came back to me later. Particularly his concern for cersei's kids and his insistence that Dany not be murdered.
at this point, I knew jon wasn't his, so then why and where did he bring a bastard home?
put it out of my mind, until jon lamented not being able to know about his mother (reading clash of kings)
within a tenth of a second, this was my thought process
1. He banged some skank and came back to collect his bastard? unlikely
2. Where was he? He found his sister dying/dead.
3. Why was his sister there? some dude kidnapped her
4. What if she wasn't kidnapped?
5. She and Rhaegar possibly could have conceived.
6. Ned was there, jon was born, knowing he'd be killed, he took him and posed him as a bastard.
I think any hodor could get if they have anything beyond a passing interest in the show.
1. Ned died for his honor
2. Ned's honorable actions to that point, carrying out the sentence, killing sansa's dire wolf, backing stannis even though he wasn't in King's Landing. Wouldn't take part in Dany's murder. Confronting Cerseii as to give her time to flee with her children. Risked everything with Robert dead without any personal ambitions.
some of these came back to me later. Particularly his concern for cersei's kids and his insistence that Dany not be murdered.
at this point, I knew jon wasn't his, so then why and where did he bring a bastard home?
put it out of my mind, until jon lamented not being able to know about his mother (reading clash of kings)
within a tenth of a second, this was my thought process
1. He banged some skank and came back to collect his bastard? unlikely
2. Where was he? He found his sister dying/dead.
3. Why was his sister there? some dude kidnapped her
4. What if she wasn't kidnapped?
5. She and Rhaegar possibly could have conceived.
6. Ned was there, jon was born, knowing he'd be killed, he took him and posed him as a bastard.
I think any hodor could get if they have anything beyond a passing interest in the show.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 2:56 pm to Circle the Wagons
quote:
Not hard to wonder where this is going
My point wasn't that it's hard to question Jon's parents being someone other than Ned and a random whore, so much as it was to even think that Rhaegar Targaryen is an option for the father. I agree when I first started watching the show it didn't take me long to figure out Ned is not likely the father, but I didn't know who Rhaegar was at all.
ETA: I will probably rewatch the seasons again starting this weekend. My brother wants to get into the show. I will probably catch all of this stuff after watching it a second time.
This post was edited on 6/16/14 at 3:00 pm
Posted on 6/16/14 at 2:59 pm to Circle the Wagons
quote:
question of who is his mother is discussed between Jon and Ned & Ned and Robert
big one for me...things like that just lead me to the point where I couldn't get past Ned's infidelity to Catelyn. It was entirely out of character, a very well defined character.
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