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re: Game of Thrones S4E10 "The Children" Maesters thread SPOILERS!!!
Posted on 6/16/14 at 3:01 pm to DelU249
Posted on 6/16/14 at 3:01 pm to DelU249
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It was entirely out of character, a very well defined character.
Does she ever find out or does she die thinking that Jon was a bastard of Ned's. Dumb question, I know...
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Posted on 6/16/14 at 3:01 pm to JumpingTheShark
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but I didn't know who Rhaegar was at all.
me either, but when you go back for that second helping you naturally look and listen for things you didn't give much thought to on the first viewing.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 3:01 pm to DelU249
once you come to the conclusion Ned isn't the dad and Jon still looks like a stark Lyanna being the mom is fairly easy to come up with. if you purely watch the show it's hard to figure Rhegar is his dad
Posted on 6/16/14 at 3:03 pm to JumpingTheShark
I admit it would be harder to pinpoint Rhaeger and Lyanna, but still possible. The first episode of GOT discusses Rhaegar and Lyanna while Ned and Robert are down in the crypts. So it's some of the first information a show-watcher gets; it frames the entire series.
Beyond that, I would just say that once you start wondering about Jon's lineage and interest is peaked - it's easier to get on the trail. And R + L is one of the only options. There's no discussion of Ashara Dayne, for example, to lead you off course. The show is emphasizing only a few players in Robert's rebellion.
Beyond that, I would just say that once you start wondering about Jon's lineage and interest is peaked - it's easier to get on the trail. And R + L is one of the only options. There's no discussion of Ashara Dayne, for example, to lead you off course. The show is emphasizing only a few players in Robert's rebellion.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 3:03 pm to JumpingTheShark
she? you mean cat?
R+L=J is still unconfirmed in the books and show.
R+L=J is still unconfirmed in the books and show.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 3:04 pm to Brown Mountain
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I feel like I didnt realize the Jon Snow lineage until book 4-5.
I had that and the Red Wedding spoiled on here before I finished book 1, which I read between seasons 1 and 2.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 3:06 pm to Byron Bojangles III
Rhaegar, the name would be. You would remember that she was "kidnapped" by a Targaryen. I knew she was with a targaryen, rhaegar's name is heavily mentioned in COK, so that's how I became MORE familiar with Robert's rebellion and Rhaegars name.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 3:06 pm to DelU249
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she? you mean cat?
Yeah, cat dies not knowing the truth, correct? I was pretty sure, but I tend to miss shite with all of the details of these damn books.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 3:06 pm to NIH
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I wonder how many troops Stannis added with the bank gold? Looked like at least 20-40,000
5K (I counted)
Based on Stannis quote and Jon saying Mance had 100K.
"I defeated your uncle Victarion and his Iron Fleet off Fair Isle, the first time your father crowned himself. I held Storm's End against the power of the Reach for a year, and took Dragonstone from the Targaryens. I smashed Mance Rayder at the Wall, though he had twenty times my numbers. Tell me, turncloak, what battles has the Bastard of Bolton ever won that I should fear him?"
Posted on 6/16/14 at 3:07 pm to Gugich22
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From Ace Midnight in the Hodor thread...
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OMG who the frick cares who is Jons mom.
Doesn't it become important if Ned isn't his father?
And his father, for that matter, should he turn out to be Rhaegar Targaryen?
Geez...obvious book reader is obvious.
FYI, that isn't in the books.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 3:08 pm to JumpingTheShark
she isn't dead
she technically died believing jon was ned's bastard
This theory, like I said, is still unconfirmed in the books and show.
Martin strikes me as the type that had this planned, everyone figured it out and he's going to change jon's parentage as a huge frick you/surprise
she technically died believing jon was ned's bastard
This theory, like I said, is still unconfirmed in the books and show.
Martin strikes me as the type that had this planned, everyone figured it out and he's going to change jon's parentage as a huge frick you/surprise
Posted on 6/16/14 at 3:08 pm to TigerintheNO
Badass quote 
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.Posted on 6/16/14 at 3:09 pm to DelU249
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Martin strikes me as the type that had this planned, everyone figured it out and he's going to change jon's parentage as a huge frick you/surprise
I was just fricking thinking this. I bet that fat frick gets on the internet and sees what people wants and then shits all over it in the next book.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 3:09 pm to DelU249
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she isn't dead
I know, i know, but you know what i mean
Posted on 6/16/14 at 3:10 pm to JumpingTheShark
Normally I would, but I think even GRRM knows that if he pulled that shite it'd bite him in the arse. Hard.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 3:12 pm to BluegrassBelle
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Normally I would, but I think even GRRM knows that if he pulled that shite it'd bite him in the arse. Hard.
Yeah a small part of me wants to believe he is just setting us all up for some of the best redemption material ever at the end of this saga, but I also know his past.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 3:14 pm to JumpingTheShark
I think he sticks to it, aegon has to go somehow, but Dany and jon end up married ruling westeros.
targaryens keep it in the family.
for a guy who has delivered quality all the way through, Martin's fans talk about him like he has already George lucas'd the series, or as if he inevitably will.
targaryens keep it in the family.
for a guy who has delivered quality all the way through, Martin's fans talk about him like he has already George lucas'd the series, or as if he inevitably will.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 3:23 pm to DelU249
Dany has proven that she is utterly incapable of ruling in peace time. Jon seems to have grown up into a natural leader and battlefield commander, but could he run a kingdom? Would he even be interested? Aegon is young, would he have the wisdom to rule? He seems to be well educated and possibly have the temperament for it. Tommen seems like he would make a great king if he was away from his batshit crazy mother. I think the clear answer is that Dany cannot be allowed to rule a peacetime kingdom by herself. Jon simply would refuse to rule and instead pledge his life to some other vocation King/Queensguard?
I think the best man for the job is obviously Tommen with Dany and Cersie dead, Tyrion as hand, Jon and Jamie as Kingsguard with seats on the small council, and Stannis and Doran Martell on the small council as well.
I think the best man for the job is obviously Tommen with Dany and Cersie dead, Tyrion as hand, Jon and Jamie as Kingsguard with seats on the small council, and Stannis and Doran Martell on the small council as well.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 3:25 pm to DelU249
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Dany and jon end up married ruling westeros
This is how I see the end, or at least I hope this is what happens. Both Jon and Dany were given huge roles in this saga and the all evidence points to this possibility. Both are portrayed as "good" people who got a shotty deal. I just don't understand how he will bring those two together in the end.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 3:30 pm to kingbob
I am still holding serve that Tyrion brings democracy to Westros in the end
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