re: Game of Thrones - S5:E5 - "Kill the Boy" - BOOK READERS

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Is that really interesting though? It just makes Tywin's actions understandable and not monstrous, as the text highly implies. It's interesting to me that a man could be so cruel to really the son who is most similar to him and a true Lannister at heart. Tywin hates Tyrion not because he killed his mother coming out of the womb (although he's certainly bitter about it), but because he's a dwarf. If Joanna had died a few months later in an unrelated incident, I still think Tywin wouldn't treat Tyrion any different than he did in the story. If on the other hand Joanna still died giving birth to Tyrion, and Tyrion was not a dwarf, I think Tywin wouldn't have treated him so terribly and would have at least entertained the idea of being worth it due to Tyrion having his sensibilities.

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I'm with you. I don't like it and I agree with Wayne. If Tywin had any suspicion he wasn't his son, he wouldn't have lived past the mother's death. There were so many opportunities for Tywin to "justifiably" kill off Tyrion and he never takes him. Even after his trial, Tywin wasn't going to allow a Lannister to be executed. I think it is just too hardwired to flip Tyrion to a Targ but I feel it would be a cheap trick to "surprise" the reader. If the movie does it, I hope GRRM at least veers from it. Even if that mean a different ending than the show.

Hard to have Frey Poe with no Manderly.

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Manderly.

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I suspect they will compress the Manderly house with the Umbers, have the Greatjon emerge. He's in captivity in the books, but is presumed free and perhaps back at Last Hearth in the show - presumably sheltering Rickon. The show's silence on those storylines is deafening - they either don't have to develop Rickon at all or not for a long time.

If one thing we've learned - they don't introduce a new character unless they absolutely have to - and they're highly reluctant to introduce a whole new house.

Now, we haven't seen the Greatjon in a while, but that makes more sense than building White Harbor sets, doing the whole Davos subplot (although he may pick up some hints - from Theon, maybe, and go after Rickon) and introducing the Manderlys onscreen.

ETA: Since Blackfish has been missing in the show since the Red Wedding, too, and they're apparently skipping the siege of Riverrun, altogether (or, again, do it with a scroll) - it is possible he's with the Greatjon - and they're lying low at Last Hearth. That would be folks from both sides of Sansa's family tree riding to her rescue in a tangent with Stannis.

And all the vectors - what is speeding up, what is slowing down, what's changing, what is being combined, what is being omitted, etc., they're getting pretty numerous now and it is difficult to keep up.

I don't care how they do it, just so all the Freys and Boltons die. They likely will in the show, but in the books, GRRM is just as likely to kill off the rest of the Starks first.

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who was the note from?

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Assuming from a raven?

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who wrote it??????

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No idea but I'm positive I saw it. He was reading out loud to the wildling girl and Stannis walked in.

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who wrote it??????

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I think there are Maesters in many of the larger Essos cities as well.




One thing that gets me is, Brienne knows Arya is alive as well as Sansa. People in the north know that Rickon is alive (some do) and Samwell knows that Bran is alive (as does Jon)

How do they all find out who is alive? I feel like Arya will find out more about Winterfell and come back, after learning some faceless skills.

Lol poor Hodors .

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who wrote it??????

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Probably not Jon, what with his burnt hand.