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First Blood (novel)

Posted on 8/13/26 at 1:25 pm
Posted by Split2874
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Posted on 8/13/26 at 1:25 pm
I was watching something about Frist Blooe and they talked about how Sly changed the story and that really helped it become a movie.

Has anyone read the novel?
Posted by jmcwhrter
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 8/13/26 at 1:31 pm to
quote:

I was watching something about Frist Blooe and they talked about how Sly changed the story and that really helped it become a movie.


His comments about the original script are really funny.. believe it was on Howard Stern

He's fighting for survival in the woods, then randomly decides to shoot an owl.. then was supposed to say "TAKE THAT YOU MOUSE-MUNCHING MOTHER frickER!"
Posted by Henry Jones Jr
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 8/13/26 at 1:33 pm to
nvm I was wrong
This post was edited on 8/13/26 at 1:34 pm
Posted by BabysArmHoldingApple
Lafayette
Member since Dec 2016
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Posted on 8/13/26 at 1:48 pm to
Yes in the late 70s before the movie came out.

Very enjoyable book but a lot more intense/graphic than the movie...and of course did not have the any of the imagery from the movie that many folks associate with the story.

SPOILERS:




Much higher death count. Both Rambo and Teasle die at the end
Posted by AUFANATL
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 8/13/26 at 2:30 pm to

The novel was set in Appalachia (eastern Kentucky) and included a plot line where moonshiners up in the hills who were also at odds with the sheriff helped Rambo. Some of the other wilderness chase elements are different too.

The moral divide between the three main characters was a lot more blurry in the novel. In the novel Rambo is a broken toy who snaps and goes on a psychotic rampage whereas the sheriff is an older combat veteran who is flawed but more sympathetic than what is portrayed in the movie. It was more about a generational divide and people being forced into a system.

The novel was originally written in the early 70s and the film rights were a hot property, especially after the success of movies like Dirty Harry, Death Wish, etc. The movie rights were bought and sold by several different studios with lots of big name directors, writers and actors attached at some point during the long period of production hell.

Stallone finally jumped in and got the movie made. He re-wrote the script to make Rambo much more sympathetic and the people pursuing him a lot more villainous.

In both the novel and the original shooting script, Rambo dies at the end. They filmed two different versions of the ending but test audiences hated the version where Rambo died. The death ending is on Youtube.

Kirk Douglas was originally cast as Trautman but left during filming. Douglas maintained that he quit over creative differences because he was fighting for the movie to be more faithful to the source novel. Other people involved in filming claim he was fired for acting like a tyrant on the set and demanding that the entire movie be re-shaped into a Kirk Douglas vehicle when he didn't realize he was past his prime and Stallone was the star.
Posted by highcotton2
Alabama
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 8/13/26 at 5:54 pm to
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Has anyone read the novel?


I read it. Kind of a major difference is that he dies at the end. That’s kind of rough n the sequels.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 8/13/26 at 6:37 pm to
quote:

Has anyone read the novel?


I read at least part of it.

Rambo was decidedly more psychotic and was intentionally defying the sheriff rather than being fricked with while acting innocently.
Posted by prplhze2000
Parts Unknown
Member since Jan 2007
59364 posts
Posted on 8/13/26 at 8:26 pm to
Yeah. trautman takes him out.

Sheriff was a Marine Corps vet of Chosin Reservoir
This post was edited on 8/14/26 at 6:29 am
Posted by BabysArmHoldingApple
Lafayette
Member since Dec 2016
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Posted on 8/13/26 at 11:09 pm to
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trautman


Seemed to remember him being way more badass in the book than Richard Crenna was in the movie
Posted by Kafka
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Member since Jul 2007
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Posted on 8/13/26 at 11:25 pm to
quote:

The novel was originally written in the early 70s and the film rights were a hot property, especially after the success of movies like Dirty Harry, Death Wish, etc. The movie rights were bought and sold by several different studios with lots of big name directors, writers and actors attached at some point during the long period of production hell.
it was owned at one point by steve mcqueen, but he could not get his partners in the First Artists production company, especially big libs Streisand and Paul Newman, to agree to make a film about a Vietnam vet. So he sold the rights
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Kirk Douglas was originally cast as Trautman but left during filming. Douglas maintained that he quit over creative differences because he was fighting for the movie to be more faithful to the source novel. Other people involved in filming claim he was fired for acting like a tyrant on the set and demanding that the entire movie be re-shaped into a Kirk Douglas vehicle
Kirk claimed he quit b/c he was not allowed to kill Stallone

But KD was a notorious a-hole*, so anything is possible




*Old Hollywood saying: "There is a difference between Burt Lancaster and Kirk Douglas. Burt Lancaster would stab his best friend in the back. I'm not sure Kirk Douglas has ever had a friend."
Posted by prplhze2000
Parts Unknown
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 8/13/26 at 11:34 pm to
Yup. He was a Green Beret, not an office boy who just happened to wear one as he was in the movie
Posted by BabysArmHoldingApple
Lafayette
Member since Dec 2016
1413 posts
Posted on 8/14/26 at 7:10 am to
I was a teen and didn't understand it like an adult back then, but the whole issue of returning Vietnam vets seemed a lot grittier and darker in the 70s with this book, Rolling Thunder, the aftermath of My Lai, etc.

The first movie softened it. Then Rambo sort of became a "superhero" in the sequels with very little connection to the original feel of the book.
Posted by slough
Louisiana
Member since Jul 2020
355 posts
Posted on 8/14/26 at 11:15 am to
I prefer the book to the movie. It gets intense.
Posted by drjett
Lake Chuck
Member since May 2012
1062 posts
Posted on 8/17/26 at 9:07 am to
Worst part, the moonshiners gave him a Winchester (I think), and he used it to shoot the hound dogs the posse was using to track him.

Great book.
Posted by sqerty
AP
Member since May 2022
8741 posts
Posted on 8/17/26 at 12:14 pm to
Watch the real Rambo instead, Dirk Benedict!

The motocross montage is killer
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 8/17/26 at 12:24 pm to
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Watch the real Rambo instead, Dirk Benedict!


Ruckus

Was on HBO and I watched it repeatedly. Linda Blair filled out nicely.
Posted by SUB
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Posted on 8/17/26 at 2:29 pm to
First blood is such a great movie. So different than anything that came after. Love the dirt bike chase scene.
Posted by MWP
Kingwood, TX via Monroe, LA
Member since Jul 2013
11303 posts
Posted on 8/17/26 at 2:54 pm to
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The moral divide between the three main characters was a lot more blurry in the novel.


Never really understood that divide but I think I read somewhere the writer tried to instill to the reader that the Korean war combat vet Sherriff had a thing against Rambo, who obviously was a Vietnam war combat vet, solely over that. I never read the book so didn't know if that was indeed the case but would find that odd considering how horrible most Vietnam vets got treated coming home. If anything you would think the Sherriff and the arsehole Deputy would be compassionate.
Posted by AUFANATL
Member since Dec 2007
5581 posts
Posted on 8/17/26 at 6:42 pm to
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I read somewhere the writer tried to instill to the reader that the Korean war combat vet Sherriff had a thing against Rambo, who obviously was a Vietnam war combat vet, solely over that. I never read the book so didn't know if that was indeed the case but would find that odd considering how horrible most Vietnam vets got treated coming home. If anything you would think the Sherriff and the arsehole Deputy would be compassionate.


In the book, Rambo kills one of the Sheriff deputies when he wigs out during the booking procedure after his arrest. That's what sets off the big manhunt in the book. In the movie he just breaks a guy's nose or something - an escalating event but probably not something you would call out the helicopters and National Guard for.
Posted by MWP
Kingwood, TX via Monroe, LA
Member since Jul 2013
11303 posts
Posted on 8/18/26 at 9:04 am to
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That's what sets off the big manhunt in the book. In the movie he just breaks a guy's nose or something - an escalating event but probably not something you would call out the helicopters and National Guard for.


Rambo did cause the deputy to fall out of the helicopter. I think that is what triggered the National Guard to show up.
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