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Posted on 9/29/15 at 1:02 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
Everything about this episode seemed forced.
Daniel's torture of the guardsman. (The fact that it took torture for him to give up information seemed against his character.)
The military commanding Travis to take out the Walker. (Seriously? You're playing games like this right now? And why do you have to take one harmless Walker out with such a large weapon from this distance?)
The scene with the bargaining using cufflinks was laughable. The guard was actually wearing his Rolex with surgical gloves and his fatigues on. Yeah, ok.
How the hell did Daniel get to the LA Forum?
Anyway, this pretty much sums up my thoughts:
Forbes' Take
Daniel's torture of the guardsman. (The fact that it took torture for him to give up information seemed against his character.)
The military commanding Travis to take out the Walker. (Seriously? You're playing games like this right now? And why do you have to take one harmless Walker out with such a large weapon from this distance?)
The scene with the bargaining using cufflinks was laughable. The guard was actually wearing his Rolex with surgical gloves and his fatigues on. Yeah, ok.
How the hell did Daniel get to the LA Forum?
Anyway, this pretty much sums up my thoughts:
Forbes' Take
Posted on 9/29/15 at 3:53 pm to Salamander_Wilson
quote:
How the hell did Daniel get to the LA Forum?
This was the part that had me WTFing.
Posted on 9/29/15 at 4:17 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
quote:
quote:
How the hell did Daniel get to the LA Forum?
This was the part that had me WTFing.
Obviously he used his death squad ninja skills. Duh.
Posted on 9/29/15 at 5:07 pm to Salamander_Wilson
quote:
Daniel's torture of the guardsman. (The fact that it took torture for him to give up information seemed against his character.)
The military commanding Travis to take out the Walker. (Seriously? You're playing games like this right now? And why do you have to take one harmless Walker out with such a large weapon from this distance?)
The scene with the bargaining using cufflinks was laughable. The guard was actually wearing his Rolex with surgical gloves and his fatigues on. Yeah, ok.
How the hell did Daniel get to the LA Forum?
None of this seemed forced to me.
Posted on 9/29/15 at 7:48 pm to Funky Tide 8
quote:
None of this seemed forced to me.
An NBA arena full of zombies within walking distance of people who are unaware of the reality of the ZA didn't seem forced or shoehorned?
Another sticking point for me is that the NG killing everyone outside of the safe zone would mean lots of gunfire. The main tards act completely oblivious to the massacre outside of the fence.
Posted on 9/29/15 at 10:00 pm to Jester
I liked the episode overall as it covered a wide range of situations. I thought Alicia and Chris looked like they were about to bone, but aren't they step-siblings?
quote:True, that kind of sound carries pretty far.
Another sticking point for me is that the NG killing everyone outside of the safe zone would mean lots of gunfire. The main tards act completely oblivious to the massacre outside of the fence.
Posted on 9/29/15 at 11:07 pm to Salamander_Wilson
I don't remember the soldier specifically saying "the forum".
I thought he just said they locked them in a convention center.
I'm not familiar with the LA suburbs, but I bet there are convention centers and arenas in many different parts of town.
I thought he just said they locked them in a convention center.
I'm not familiar with the LA suburbs, but I bet there are convention centers and arenas in many different parts of town.
Posted on 9/30/15 at 4:15 am to OystermanTiger
quote:
The kids ripping up the rich peoples house seemed like a waste of time. I get that they are still not quite aware of the severity of the situation but at least half of that scene could have been left on the editors floor.
The entire point of this timeline is showing the deescalation of society. It was lame, but understandable.
Posted on 9/30/15 at 8:00 am to BamaChick
Think about ATL at night though in the first season of Walking Dead, it was just TEEMING with walkers.
Is it too early for it to be that bad? If so why the hell is the NG peacing out?
I can't figure out at what stage the outbreak is because they never show any GD ZOMBIES!
Is it too early for it to be that bad? If so why the hell is the NG peacing out?
I can't figure out at what stage the outbreak is because they never show any GD ZOMBIES!
Posted on 9/30/15 at 9:16 am to Ericvol2096
As I've mentioned before, this episode was somewhat better that episode 4, during which I literally fell asleep.
The black guy in the cage seems out of place. His little soliloquy (sp) at the beginning...no one talks like that. Sometimes TV and film writers get off on these up-in-the-air monologues that no real person would ever say. Too forced and too unrealistic.
The torture of the soldier was okay. I think, as has happened many times with this show so far, the situation went from point A to point Z without giving proper context as to how and why things moved along so quickly.
That's also my overall complaint with the show, as many have said here already. It went from a few people doing suspiciously violent things (eating people, not dying when hit by a car, etc.) to neighborhood military camps with fences up, rations, and systematic protocol for medical detainment. All of that happened much too quickly. Not nearly enough of the pandemonium and destruction that would be associated with such an event was shown.
And perhaps most importantly, I still don't care about any of these characters. Most of them act stupidly and unrealistically (I know the ZA is not real, but we know enough about the general concept to realize how people would react). I think the main protagonists are creating more problems than they are solving. Again, if any of them died in this finale, I have zero attachment to any of them so it won't matter.
And finally, he's definitely letting out the walkers in the arena.
The black guy in the cage seems out of place. His little soliloquy (sp) at the beginning...no one talks like that. Sometimes TV and film writers get off on these up-in-the-air monologues that no real person would ever say. Too forced and too unrealistic.
The torture of the soldier was okay. I think, as has happened many times with this show so far, the situation went from point A to point Z without giving proper context as to how and why things moved along so quickly.
That's also my overall complaint with the show, as many have said here already. It went from a few people doing suspiciously violent things (eating people, not dying when hit by a car, etc.) to neighborhood military camps with fences up, rations, and systematic protocol for medical detainment. All of that happened much too quickly. Not nearly enough of the pandemonium and destruction that would be associated with such an event was shown.
And perhaps most importantly, I still don't care about any of these characters. Most of them act stupidly and unrealistically (I know the ZA is not real, but we know enough about the general concept to realize how people would react). I think the main protagonists are creating more problems than they are solving. Again, if any of them died in this finale, I have zero attachment to any of them so it won't matter.
And finally, he's definitely letting out the walkers in the arena.
Posted on 9/30/15 at 9:30 am to BamaChick
quote:
I don't remember the soldier specifically saying "the forum".
The forum would be far as frick from where they are.
I mean a solid 15-25 miles.
They're in the eastern hills of LA based on what I've seen. Eagle Rock, Highland Park etc.
Where normal people can semi afford to live.
Posted on 9/30/15 at 9:41 am to STLhog
I don't understand what the complainers are looking for really. You want to see the break down of the city, i get it. But the characters were not there for that. If they would have broken away to show the chaos then the bitching would surely have been "i don't know these characters" "character development is terrible" etc etc.
As for the characters acting stupid and doing stupid shite...they don't really know how bad stuff is. So yeah, the teenagers are still being stupid teenagers, the adults are still holding faith in the government, the shite has hit the fan but the people in the neighborhood have been shielded from it, it's about to land squarely on their head.
I agree on all points about Travis, but i think that's kind of the point. They are going to show the transformation of a liberal, anti gun, anti violence mush ball into a stone cold killer. That'll be a greater transformation than Rick Grimes, if it's done correctly. IMO.
I do agree that the scene with Daniel at the arena was stupid. As mentioned above he would be MILES from the arena. Just seemed to be thrown in there for the sake of creepiness.
As for the characters acting stupid and doing stupid shite...they don't really know how bad stuff is. So yeah, the teenagers are still being stupid teenagers, the adults are still holding faith in the government, the shite has hit the fan but the people in the neighborhood have been shielded from it, it's about to land squarely on their head.
I agree on all points about Travis, but i think that's kind of the point. They are going to show the transformation of a liberal, anti gun, anti violence mush ball into a stone cold killer. That'll be a greater transformation than Rick Grimes, if it's done correctly. IMO.
I do agree that the scene with Daniel at the arena was stupid. As mentioned above he would be MILES from the arena. Just seemed to be thrown in there for the sake of creepiness.
This post was edited on 9/30/15 at 9:43 am
Posted on 9/30/15 at 9:45 am to Funky Tide 8
quote:
How the hell did Daniel get to the LA Forum?
They made the point of stating that the NG was no longer paroling the quarantine area. You could conclude that Daniel could have simply taken a vehicle to the Forum.
Posted on 9/30/15 at 9:46 am to The Dude Abides
quote:
As for the characters acting stupid and doing stupid shite...they don't really know how bad stuff is.
Agreed.
I think their reactions at Day 9 are much more realistic than scaling fences and running away from military protection.
Posted on 9/30/15 at 11:02 am to The Dude Abides
quote:
I don't understand what the complainers are looking for really. You want to see the break down of the city, i get it. But the characters were not there for that. If they would have broken away to show the chaos then the bitching would surely have been "i don't know these characters" "character development is terrible" etc etc.
As for the characters acting stupid and doing stupid shite...they don't really know how bad stuff is. So yeah, the teenagers are still being stupid teenagers, the adults are still holding faith in the government, the shite has hit the fan but the people in the neighborhood have been shielded from it, it's about to land squarely on their head.
I agree on all points about Travis, but i think that's kind of the point. They are going to show the transformation of a liberal, anti gun, anti violence mush ball into a stone cold killer. That'll be a greater transformation than Rick Grimes, if it's done correctly. IMO.
I do agree that the scene with Daniel at the arena was stupid. As mentioned above he would be MILES from the arena. Just seemed to be thrown in there for the sake of creepiness.
Agreed. I am pretty shocked at all the bitching and nit-picking of this show. I have been thoroughly entertained, and I get annoyed when the episodes end because I want more, which is a sign of a good tv show.
Different strokes, I guess.
Posted on 9/30/15 at 3:09 pm to lpgreat1
quote:
The black guy in the cage seems out of place. His little soliloquy (sp) at the beginning...no one talks like that. Sometimes TV and film writers get off on these up-in-the-air monologues that no real person would ever say. Too forced and too unrealistic. The torture of the soldier was okay. I think, as has happened many times with this show so far, the situation went from point A to point Z without giving proper context as to how and why things moved along so quickly. That's also my overall complaint with the show, as many have said here already. It went from a few people doing suspiciously violent things (eating people, not dying when hit by a car, etc.) to neighborhood military camps with fences up, rations, and systematic protocol for medical detainment. All of that happened much too quickly. Not nearly enough of the pandemonium and destruction that would be associated with such an event was shown. And perhaps most importantly, I still don't care about any of these characters. Most of them act stupidly and unrealistically (I know the ZA is not real, but we know enough about the general concept to realize how people would react). I think the main protagonists are creating more problems than they are solving. Again, if any of them died in this finale, I have zero attachment to any of them so it won't matter.
It's like I typed it myself.
Posted on 9/30/15 at 3:57 pm to Funky Tide 8
I feel the same way and am enjoying it, I just feel like it could have been so much better.
Oh well, looking forward to the Finale, I bet it will get really good.
Oh well, looking forward to the Finale, I bet it will get really good.
Posted on 9/30/15 at 6:41 pm to Jester
quote:
An NBA arena full of zombies within walking distance of people who are unaware of the reality of the ZA didn't seem forced or shoehorned?
The Forum being full of zombies made no sense to me as they would either have had to be herded in there and locked up or there was a mass turning during an event.
It wasn't until I listened to a podcast about the show this week that I heard a great explanation and felt like a dumb arse for not thinking of it.
During the 9 days that the show inexcusably skipped, The Forum was a shelter point just like the Dome during Katrina. Things went south and whoever was in control just had to bail out and chain the doors.
This just speaks to the flaws of this show. A Katrina type sheltering in an arena where things went to hell as people started turning would have been infinitely more interesting than anything we've seen through 5 episodes.
This show will never shake off the stink of the 9 day skip. I say this as someone who is still enjoying it.
This post was edited on 9/30/15 at 6:44 pm
Posted on 9/30/15 at 6:44 pm to Scoop
quote:
This show will never shake of the stink of the 9 day skip. I say this as someone who is still enjoying it.
See, I never even thought anything of the 9 day skip, other than the fact that it'd been 9 days since the outbreak.
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