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re: Edge of Tomorrow discussion (Spoilers)

Posted on 6/8/14 at 3:10 pm to
Posted by hawgfaninc
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Posted on 6/8/14 at 3:10 pm to
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Did anyone else think that there's a possibility Cage was lying after he woke up from car accident???

I did

as I mentioned earlier, it's never proven that cage did in fact lose his original powers. he assumed he had or he was lying. interesting theory nonetheless for a potential sequel
Posted by sbr2
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Posted on 6/8/14 at 6:22 pm to
I don't think he was lying about losing his powers. He had become a superior soldier through all the repetition, so he slogged his way to the Omega
Posted by donRANDOMnumbers
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Posted on 6/8/14 at 7:20 pm to
Bout to watch! Will post opinion after. :popkern: literally
Posted by Bayou Sam
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Posted on 6/8/14 at 7:27 pm to
Yeah I just saw it today. I thought it was top notch; it's about as good as that kind of action movie is going to get, and very funny too. I liked the way they not only played with the video game conceit, but also with the conventions of these kinds of movies as well--like the drill sergeant pearls of wisdom we've all heard before in one form or another.

The conceit also made the emotional relationship between the leads believable and not merely cheesy. For that reason, I didn't mind the ending so much--it left things unhappy and unsettled enough to satisfy me (after all, he's a stranger to her). On the other hand, I thought the final action sequence at the Louvre was just OK. 7/10 would be my IMDB rating. In terms of the genre, 8/10.
Posted by Tiger n Miami AU83
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Posted on 6/8/14 at 8:16 pm to
Buddy just txted that it is completely bad arse.

Prob go see it next weekend.

Ftr, tom cruise is a hell of an actor.
Posted by Displaced
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Posted on 6/9/14 at 4:33 pm to
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it's never proven that cage did in fact lose his original powers.


i took it as the director trying to tell us he lost his powers when he regained conscienceness and the black swirl wooshed and vanished from his eyes.
Posted by hawgfaninc
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Posted on 6/11/14 at 11:54 am to
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i took it as the director trying to tell us he lost his powers when he regained conscienceness and the black swirl wooshed and vanished from his eyes.

maybe.

I remember that happening, but don't remember what part of the movie it happened. I know it was towards the end though.
Posted by meeple
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Posted on 6/11/14 at 12:39 pm to
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In the final scene, Cage injures the Omega such that it attempts to reset. Cage becomes affected and integrated into the system again, but the Omega dies before the reset is complete - this is why when Cage wakes up and lands in London two days prior, the Mimics are already dead. If the Omega didn't die prior to the completion of the final reset, then it would have been fully viable and nothing would have changed.


If the Omega completed the final reset, why did Cage wake up in a helicopter rather than on the ground at Heathrow as he had every other time, and 2 days prior instead of that day?
Posted by sbr2
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Posted on 6/11/14 at 12:41 pm to
Because the omega was trying to reset the clock before Cage encountered the Alpha and defeated it, I think.
Posted by meeple
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Posted on 6/11/14 at 1:03 pm to
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Because the omega was trying to reset the clock before Cage encountered the Alpha and defeated it, I think.

Whether it was earlier that day or 2 days prior, the Omega was resetting the day prior to when Cage encountered the Alpha the entire movie. Not sure what difference this makes.
Posted by sbr2
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Posted on 6/11/14 at 4:47 pm to
Hmm, I don't know then. Perhaps giving itself an extra day would allow it to change locations.
Posted by Damn Good Dawg
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Posted on 6/11/14 at 6:35 pm to
quote:

Did anyone else think that there's a possibility Cage was lying after he woke up from car accident???


Never really occurred to me. Possible but idk if I think that's the case.
Posted by jrodLSUke
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Posted on 6/11/14 at 9:49 pm to
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If the Omega completed the final reset, why did Cage wake up in a helicopter rather than on the ground at Heathrow as he had every other time, and 2 days prior instead of that day?

All of the resets sent Cage back in time to the point where he last gained consciousness. So, all the other resets went back to the point where Cage woke up after being tased.

On the last reset, Cage had killed the Omega. Thus a time paradox had been created. The Omega's death was a fixed event and will not reset. Because the Omega was dead, the General did not need to force Cage to the front lines, so Cage was never tased. Meaning that he reset back to the moment in the helicopter when he last regained consciousness.
Posted by ATLienTiger
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Posted on 6/11/14 at 10:01 pm to
Is this ending the same as the Novel? I'm assuming the ending is explained in the Novel.
Posted by meeple
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Posted on 6/11/14 at 10:19 pm to
These are the best explanations I've seen from another website, and I totally buy into it.
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The reset is to 24 hours before Cage killed the Alpha and it tried to reset – but instead poured its blood into Cage so he reset and the Alpha was destroyed.

That is the reset that keeps happening. The reset is that when Cage dies, he resets to where the Alpha would have reset to. No matter if it has taken one minute or 40+ hours, he still resets to the same spot the Alpha would have reset to, had it not ceased to exist.

Similarly, Cage kills the Omega and it (presumably) tries to reset – but before it dies and resets, Cage is filled with its blood and hijacks its reset point. This causes the Omega, like the Alpha before it, to cease to exist, and Cage to wake up 24 hours before the Omega’s reset attempt.


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First when Cage was in the water with the omega blood flowing into him. This means he now becomes the new omega replacing the brain that had died. Now with that, he jumps back to a “save” point before the usual one he always wake up to (explanation later). Once he wakes up he is told the mimic are defeated. This is because now that Cage is the new Omega, he now controls all the mimics and none are activated due to his control. That is also why there was an explanation that the other countries are able to fight off mimic without resistance.

Now why did he wake up to an earlier point rather than the usual one. As the omega has multiple save points, this is an earlier event for Cage before he is force to fight the mimics. So if the mimics are already defeated he won’t be able to go to the usual one where the event of why he is there is to fight them. So you see that he alight from the heli and told the war is almost over. Instead of the one that he is force to meet the general now he can go to the barrack as Major and meet Rita.

Also notice even tho mimics are defeated, you can see the soldiers in the barrack are still geared for fighting them but in effect nobody know the omega is already dead (and is now Cage). Only Cage knows and he smiles at the end.
Posted by jrodLSUke
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Posted on 6/11/14 at 10:19 pm to
I don't know; didn't read it yet. But I do know that the ending in the book is very different from the movie.
Posted by Xenophon
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Posted on 6/12/14 at 2:34 am to
In the book it says that resets are usually around 30 hours prior to the first time the alpha (or server) mimic is killed.

There is no Omega in the book.

Since Cage actually ends up killing the Omega before the battle where he first killed the Alpha (and he was released from that loop already anyway), it resets him about 30 hours before he killed the Omega.

And I'm just using the 30 hour rule from the book. If you look into it, the movie may use a different amount if time. Or like someone else said, the last time Cage woke up.

The movie was great though. I liked most of what they changed from the book. Except that Rita was much more of a badass in the book.

This post was edited on 6/12/14 at 2:36 am
Posted by TexasTiger34
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Posted on 6/12/14 at 8:16 am to
great movie, i laughed a lot
it was great seeing tom cruise die so often
Posted by Dam Guide
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Posted on 6/12/14 at 8:48 am to
quote:

In the book it says that resets are usually around 30 hours prior to the first time the alpha (or server) mimic is killed. There is no Omega in the book. Since Cage actually ends up killing the Omega before the battle where he first killed the Alpha (and he was released from that loop already anyway), it resets him about 30 hours before he killed the Omega. And I'm just using the 30 hour rule from the book. If you look into it, the movie may use a different amount if time. Or like someone else said, the last time Cage woke up. The movie was great though. I liked most of what they changed from the book. Except that Rita was much more of a badass in the book.


This is what I am guessing as well for why it took him back further.

I rather the death and the continued battles instead of the mimics just dying off from the book.
Posted by sbr2
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Posted on 6/12/14 at 9:18 am to
The quoted explanation makes a lot of sense actually. It wouldn't make sense for Cage to reset to the time where he is stripped of rank and headed for J squad, because the mimics are already defeated at that point. The only reason he was arrested was because of the looming mimic invasion. God my head hurts
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