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re: Do you avoid any particular actors/actresses movies because of politics
Posted on 5/3/11 at 3:32 pm to The Dude Abides
Posted on 5/3/11 at 3:32 pm to The Dude Abides
Actually, I prefer my actors, musicians, or authors to have a point of view. Vapid entertainers who only exist to push product, and studiously avoid saying anything of substance, is far more offensive to me. I don’t care if I agree with a persons politics or their point of view, but art is infinitely more interesting if they are trying to say something.
I may not agree with what they are trying to say, but a well-made piece of art may at least make me think harder about my own beliefs. Beliefs that have not been challenged are not really beliefs. And art, even commercial art, that serves no purpose other than bringing a profit to its creators is usually art not worth the time.
And, in fact, having no political views to speak of but merely pushing product IS a political statement by default.
I may not agree with what they are trying to say, but a well-made piece of art may at least make me think harder about my own beliefs. Beliefs that have not been challenged are not really beliefs. And art, even commercial art, that serves no purpose other than bringing a profit to its creators is usually art not worth the time.
And, in fact, having no political views to speak of but merely pushing product IS a political statement by default.
Posted on 5/3/11 at 3:33 pm to tduecen
I use to be this way but Ive learn to block it out 99% of the time.
About the only one I cant stand and dont watch anymore is Devito. I just cant stand that little frick.
About the only one I cant stand and dont watch anymore is Devito. I just cant stand that little frick.
Posted on 5/3/11 at 3:35 pm to tduecen
Yes. Penn, Big Baldwin.
Sykes, DL Hughley, Russell Brand, etc
Sykes, DL Hughley, Russell Brand, etc
Posted on 5/3/11 at 3:35 pm to OMLandshark
Wow, I had no idea that Clooney invested in South Park. I gained a little respect back
, then again, I'm pretty sure it was wrong for me to group him with Sean Penn and Alec Baldwin anyways
Posted on 5/3/11 at 3:37 pm to Baloo
quote:I agree with that somewhat. Now it would be closed minded to not listen to them at all. It's different to listen to them, hear what they are saying and disagree with it, then choosing not to support it.
I may not agree with what they are trying to say, but a well-made piece of art may at least make me think harder about my own beliefs.
They can have whatever views and beliefs they want, but on stage at an awards presentation is not the time or place to voice your political opinion. IMO it's disrespectful to the award and the nominees.
Sean Penn is a good actor, he's made fine films. But i will never pay to see one in the theater, i make a conscious choice not to support his films, because i do not agree with his stance on just about any issue you can name.
This post was edited on 5/3/11 at 3:38 pm
Posted on 5/3/11 at 3:37 pm to Baloo
quote:I like the Charles Barkley approach.
Actually, I prefer my actors, musicians, or authors to have a point of view.
Posted on 5/3/11 at 3:40 pm to Baloo
quote:
Actually, I prefer my actors, musicians, or authors to have a point of view. Vapid entertainers who only exist to push product, and studiously avoid saying anything of substance, is far more offensive to me. I don’t care if I agree with a persons politics or their point of view, but art is infinitely more interesting if they are trying to say something.
I may not agree with what they are trying to say, but a well-made piece of art may at least make me think harder about my own beliefs. Beliefs that have not been challenged are not really beliefs. And art, even commercial art, that serves no purpose other than bringing a profit to its creators is usually art not worth the time.
And, in fact, having no political views to speak of but merely pushing product IS a political statement by default.
Good points.
Posted on 5/3/11 at 3:41 pm to The Dude Abides
quote:Really? The Oscars are just an industry award banquet in which everyone in the business tells each other how great they are. If during four hours of self-aggrandazing and promoting your own awesomeness, someone uses the giant megaphone to say something political it is somehow disrespectful? I don't see how it can be less offensive than the award show itself.
They can have whatever views and beliefs they want, but on stage at an awards presentation is not the time or place to voice your political opinion. IMO it's disrespectful to the award and the nominees.
Now, sometimes its great when an actor uses this giant megaphone to make a political statement becaue it exposes said actor as know-nothing blowhard... but that has value as well, even if unintentionally.
Posted on 5/3/11 at 3:41 pm to The Dude Abides
quote:Maybe I understand that not everyone who disagrees with my politics is evil or even necessarily wrong. I happen to have good friends who are ultra-conservative and others who are ultra-liberal and, guess what!--(I know this is a big shocker to people like you)--they're good people who just have different ideas. Contrary to what cable news networks might teach you, people with differing political opinions are not deserving of scorn and it is not a proper indicator of the quality of those people's character. That is why I am able to have friends of different political persuasions.
it's called believing in something, having convictions and choosing not to support those who promote things contrary to those beliefs.
quote:You do understand that I used the example to demonstrate a point, right?
Life saving heart surgery is a mite different that going to see a movie. And is that doctor using his position to spew political rhetoric to the moronic masses?
quote:Back to the point of tolerance. He's fixing my car and is good at his job. Doesn't mean we're going to alternate prayer meetings. I guess we should all draw lines around our own religious circles and only associate within them and cast out all infidels. Maybe the taliban were on to something?
then you obviously aren't religious.
quote:I don't have a vote in the Oscars. But intolerant people like you and Sean are the reason why this country is so polarized. But if you are the best sugarcane farmer around, I'll buy your product. Just like I'll watch Penn's movies IF they're good--not the political ones, mind you because, yes, I happen to disagree with his politics.
Apathetic people like you are the ones who are enabling Sean Penn to get all political at the Oscars
This post was edited on 5/3/11 at 3:57 pm
Posted on 5/3/11 at 3:43 pm to DanglingFury
quote:i'm the same way; i used to get annoyed with leonardo dicaprio with his political stuff but he's just too damn good to avoid. same with alec baldwin; he's just hilarious so i watch 30 rock.
I used to avoid Sean Penn movies, then I just frick it...if the movie's good, I want to see it.
if i'm entertained i really don't care what they do in their spare time for the most part.
Posted on 5/3/11 at 3:45 pm to Baloo
quote:Richard Gere comes to mind
Now, sometimes its great when an actor uses this giant megaphone to make a political statement becaue it exposes said actor as know-nothing blowhard..
Posted on 5/3/11 at 3:45 pm to Baloo
quote:Spot on as usual.
Actually, I prefer my actors, musicians, or authors to have a point of view. Vapid entertainers who only exist to push product, and studiously avoid saying anything of substance, is far more offensive to me. I don’t care if I agree with a persons politics or their point of view, but art is infinitely more interesting if they are trying to say something.
I may not agree with what they are trying to say, but a well-made piece of art may at least make me think harder about my own beliefs. Beliefs that have not been challenged are not really beliefs. And art, even commercial art, that serves no purpose other than bringing a profit to its creators is usually art not worth the time.
And, in fact, having no political views to speak of but merely pushing product IS a political statement by default.
Posted on 5/3/11 at 3:47 pm to Jamohn
quote:no you did not just compare me to Sean Penn, it's ON mofo!
But intolerant people like you and Sean are the reason why this country is so polarized.
Posted on 5/3/11 at 3:49 pm to drexyl
quote:If i avoided everyone that i disagreed with politically, i wouldn't be able to watch television at all. Some just take it to a higher level. Sean Penn is an example of that.
i'm the same way; i used to get annoyed with leonardo dicaprio with his political stuff but he's just too damn good to avoid.
Posted on 5/3/11 at 3:56 pm to The Dude Abides
Matt Damon,Penn,Baldwin,and Hathaway.
Posted on 5/3/11 at 4:18 pm to tduecen
Depends on the movie. I hate Tim robbins, Sean Penn, Baldwin's politics, but they are all great actors in their own right. I would easiliy go watch their movies as long as teh movie was not a propoganda piece like Milk.
Posted on 5/3/11 at 4:32 pm to iwyLSUiwy
I'm as liberal as they come but I avoid Michael Moore movies, but on the other side I won't watch Atlas Shrugged either.
Actors and Actresses don't matter to me, the subject matter of the movie does.
Actors and Actresses don't matter to me, the subject matter of the movie does.
Posted on 5/3/11 at 4:32 pm to Baloo
quote:
Actually, I prefer my actors, musicians, or authors to have a point of view. Vapid entertainers who only exist to push product, and studiously avoid saying anything of substance, is far more offensive to me. I don’t care if I agree with a persons politics or their point of view, but art is infinitely more interesting if they are trying to say something.
I may not agree with what they are trying to say, but a well-made piece of art may at least make me think harder about my own beliefs. Beliefs that have not been challenged are not really beliefs. And art, even commercial art, that serves no purpose other than bringing a profit to its creators is usually art not worth the time.
And, in fact, having no political views to speak of but merely pushing product IS a political statement by default.
This post was edited on 5/3/11 at 4:33 pm
Posted on 5/3/11 at 5:09 pm to iwyLSUiwy
I shall now listen to Sing Me Spanish Techno in celebration.
Posted on 5/3/11 at 5:14 pm to Jamohn
quote:
Maybe I understand that not everyone who disagrees with my politics is evil or even necessarily wrong. I happen to have good friends who are ultra-conservative and others who are ultra-liberal and, guess what!--(I know this is a big shocker to people like you)--they're good people who just have different ideas
See...this is the point I think you may be missing here. In nearly all of the cases of the various actors mentioned thus far, it would be EASY to go and find direct quotes from them personally demonizing those who hold political views opposite of their own. Not just national politicians...but every day folks who hold opposing views to their own. This in and of itself is not that bad a thing...but these are people who presumably are trying to draw an audience, right? As such, they are personally demonizing a large portion of the very people they hope will walk up to the box office and give them money. This really shouldn't be such a shocker.
In addition, because the entertainment industry is completely dominated by those on the political left, it's is totally impossible short of being Amish to avoid each and every entertainer that simply happens to hold an opposing view. This is an issue that simply does not come up for those folks whose politics are on the left...I mean, what are they going to avoid because the actor/show is way too conservative? Chuck Norris? Ted Nugent? It's just not an issue a political lefty can answer honestly, because they don;t live in a world where it';s actually an issue for them. However, there are some entertainers that are SO outspoken, so obnoxious that I can certainly see why some would simply decide to spend their money elsewhere.
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