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re: Disneys Snow White trailer suffering absolutely ridiculous ratio
Posted on 8/15/24 at 4:04 pm to SammyTiger
Posted on 8/15/24 at 4:04 pm to SammyTiger
I think your insistence on needing a built in audience is predicated on that’s been Hollywood’s assumption and operation model for a long time. The 90s is one of the best decades of films ever and almost no one was concerned with that to the degree they are now. It is, imo, a crutch they insist is necessary and lean on because they’re creatively bankrupt. And oftentimes when they adapt something with an established audience they completely change it into an unrecognizable abomination using the name as askin suit. See borderlands for an example
Posted on 8/15/24 at 4:05 pm to td01241
I don't know if you saw the graphic I posted but Disney has 3 of the top 5 revenue generating IPs in the world. Disney makes the vast majority of their money on merchandising. T-shirts, cups, toys, backpacks, lunch boxes, stickers, you name it. Every major retail is loaded to the brim with IP owned by Disney.
Posted on 8/15/24 at 4:08 pm to td01241
quote:I’m not sure about all the rest of it, but if I buy a golf flag for $1 and sell it for $12, then buy other things with that $12 and sell them for more than $12, I didn’t create anything either, but just as long as it all goes into my special bank account detached from my wife. I learned this from antiquetiger.
That’s why I am insisting on making the Hulu D+ distinction because Disney deserves less than zero credit for any of it
Posted on 8/15/24 at 4:10 pm to drizztiger
You trying to go to Japan too?
Posted on 8/15/24 at 4:11 pm to ThoseGuys
Which 3? All I see on there is Star Wars and Mickey Mouse. And I don’t disagree about the merchandise point. All of what I’m saying should be taken in the context of producing entertainment I.e movies and shows. Star Wars as an example may be a “top 5 revenue generator” but their absolute incompetence has made it worth a fraction of what it was once worth in specially in merchandise sells and stuff, and made for horrible horrible shows and movies outside rogue one and andor. Marvel could literally be said the same thing about have they made anything of quality since endgame? There’s like a one off I just can’t think of but it’s been a dream of mediocre at best and absolute shite at worst. Disney may as you say own whatever too 5 but they didn’t create any of t themselves. They bought then devalued it
Posted on 8/15/24 at 4:13 pm to drizztiger
Again, I’m not really disputing the business sense of it all and how wise it was or not. They typically make fairly sauve purchases outside the fox debacle. All of what I’m saying should be viewed through the lenses of how it results in lower quality shows and movies
Posted on 8/15/24 at 4:19 pm to td01241
They also have #3, Winnie the Pooh. Which, yes, they bought it. But if you don't think Disney raised that IP into a cash cow than you are going to refuse to give them credit for anything.
And I won't be surprised if Stitch is on this list before long. I swear I see more merchandise of that little blue alien than I do for Mickey or Pooh.
And I won't be surprised if Stitch is on this list before long. I swear I see more merchandise of that little blue alien than I do for Mickey or Pooh.
Posted on 8/15/24 at 4:20 pm to ThoseGuys
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I don't know if you saw the graphic I posted but Disney has 3 of the top 5 revenue generating IPs in the world. Disney makes the vast majority of their money on merchandising. T-shirts, cups, toys, backpacks, lunch boxes, stickers, you name it. Every major retail is loaded to the brim with IP owned by Disney.
Must be why their stock is kicking so much arse.
Spend more, make less. Success!
Posted on 8/15/24 at 4:25 pm to td01241
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The 90s is one of the best decades of films ever and almost no one was concerned with that to the degree they are now
yeah now we have bigger nicer TV, screaming services and popcorn costs a mortgage payment.
The movie theatre experience isn’t a cheap day out anymore.
Posted on 8/15/24 at 4:26 pm to ThoseGuys
I have no issues with giving them credit for things like Winnie the Pooh. Disney wasn’t always a completely trash company. Let’s say since 2012ish when they bought Star Wars what have they made wholly themselves with their own creativity that’s successful with audiences and commercially ? Moana for sure. Frozen 2 likely I can’t remember when hat came out but that merch had fallen off hard. They’ve coasted almost exclusively off the never before seen success of the MCU until oops fricked that up too. Inside out 2 I’ll give them credit for it’s a good movie but it only got the success it did because they wouldn’t let Pixar be woke if anyone is being honest. You could tell a woke person wrote it but was on a leash, again though good movie. Current Disney gets 0 credit for Deadpool. It was allowed and green lit by chapeck Iger didn’t want it because it gave Ryan Reynolds executive producer role and creative control which is why it’s a pretty great movie and makes fun of Disney and wokeness
This post was edited on 8/15/24 at 4:28 pm
Posted on 8/15/24 at 4:28 pm to td01241
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Hollywood has been collapsing
Weird fantasy you have there but it’s not true
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beloved post modern or colloquial “woke” injection of things everywhere
Your boogey man doesn’t exist, gay people existing in movies isn’t some attack on your fragile ego
This post was edited on 8/15/24 at 4:30 pm
Posted on 8/15/24 at 4:32 pm to dawgfan24348
There’s a reason people like you are openly mocked in public now with no fear of repercussions. You and people like you are literally a laughing stock. A relic of what will be looked back on as a period of mass psychosis that thankfully is rapidly ending. Your tricks that got you cultural relevance are spent. And since that’s all you had and none of you are actually capable of building anything up only tearing things down your cultural capital is gone with it. I’m so happy we are done with your ways and almost all people think you and all people like you are delusional idiots rightly deserving of mocking and shame
This post was edited on 8/15/24 at 4:33 pm
Posted on 8/15/24 at 4:36 pm to td01241
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Let’s say since 2012ish when they bought Star Wars what have they made wholly themselves with their own creativity that’s successful with audiences and commercials?
Wreck it Ralph
Frozen was 2013
Zootopia
Moana
All good and successful movies
Posted on 8/15/24 at 4:37 pm to SammyTiger
So 4 movies in 12 years. Extremely impressive creativity. Ground breaking. And of the 4 you could manage 2 of them I mentioned myself 
Posted on 8/15/24 at 4:45 pm to td01241
and Big Hero 6 and Encanto.
but they do most of their animation through pixar.
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but they do most of their animation through pixar.
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Posted on 8/15/24 at 4:45 pm to td01241
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until oops fricked that up too. I
Deadpool just crossed a billion and there’s a strong amount of hype for Secret Wars, the Fantastic Four, and the X-Men so you’re just wrong here
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They’ve coasted almost exclusively off the never before seen success of the MCU
You are aware Disney owns Fox who owned the Avatar movies, Disney is doing pretty damn good right now
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wokeness
I swear this word is for people who don’t know shite about the industry but want to criticize it. A movie fails? Could it be bad writing? Poor marketing? Nope just woke a dumb catch all term used to scare the shite out of boomers
Posted on 8/15/24 at 4:47 pm to SammyTiger
By the way, Hot Take incoming, Disney saved Star Wars.
Legit what was George Lucas going to do with it if he hadn't sold out? South Park was already mocking him for raping Star Wars to death. Revisionist history aside, the Prequels were trash with only small parts being any good. Watch the Red Letter Media takedown on those films and they break down why not only the story for film technique were terrible.
Has Disney hit home run after home run with Star Wars? Absolutely not. They have way more fails than success. But they have had some success, which is more than we possibly would have gotten out of George Lucas.
So yeah Disney certainly has fumbled Star Wars but to pretend they have killed it is so overdramatic. George Lucas is a good idea man who needs to be reigned in by others. Their biggest mistake was letting an executive producer become the head of creative over it. If Jon Favreau was over Star Wars as head of creative it might have gone way different.
Legit what was George Lucas going to do with it if he hadn't sold out? South Park was already mocking him for raping Star Wars to death. Revisionist history aside, the Prequels were trash with only small parts being any good. Watch the Red Letter Media takedown on those films and they break down why not only the story for film technique were terrible.
Has Disney hit home run after home run with Star Wars? Absolutely not. They have way more fails than success. But they have had some success, which is more than we possibly would have gotten out of George Lucas.
So yeah Disney certainly has fumbled Star Wars but to pretend they have killed it is so overdramatic. George Lucas is a good idea man who needs to be reigned in by others. Their biggest mistake was letting an executive producer become the head of creative over it. If Jon Favreau was over Star Wars as head of creative it might have gone way different.
Posted on 8/15/24 at 4:51 pm to dawgfan24348
I’m not even going to bother engaging your points. I could easily. Yeah deadpool made a lot of money because it was what audiences wanted and was a good movie. It’s absolutely laughable you’d argue phase 4 and 5 of marvel were a success because Ryan Reynolds is very talented and not a stuck up moralist prick who gave the fans what they desired. I could say yeah I know Disney owns fox, they don’t get a large amount of money for avatar though. They dont own it James Cameron does. They simply own the distribution rights. So again like always you’re stupidity show claiming fox owned avatar. I could point out woke is just a short and easy catch all term for a lot of things poor writing many times these days is actually due to wokeness and hiring unqualified wanna be victims because they’re some combination of box checkers.
But I won’t. Because all of your bluster is nothing more than the death woes of something you personality liked and wanted more, that being progressive politics inset d everywhere imaginable in society. And that’s going away. Forever. You’re just lashing oit
But I won’t. Because all of your bluster is nothing more than the death woes of something you personality liked and wanted more, that being progressive politics inset d everywhere imaginable in society. And that’s going away. Forever. You’re just lashing oit
Posted on 8/15/24 at 4:54 pm to ThoseGuys
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Disney saved Starr wars
Posted on 8/15/24 at 4:56 pm to td01241
Spider-man No Way Home made 1.9 Billion
Dr Strange made 952 Million
Thor made 760 million
GOTG 3 Made 845 million
Deadpool has made 1 billion
Black Panther 2 made 850 million
these are terrible numbers for non-avenger movies.
Dr Strange made 952 Million
Thor made 760 million
GOTG 3 Made 845 million
Deadpool has made 1 billion
Black Panther 2 made 850 million
these are terrible numbers for non-avenger movies.
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