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re: Disney's most putrid racialized and delusional piece of "entertainment" yet.
Posted on 2/7/23 at 12:16 pm to iwyLSUiwy
Posted on 2/7/23 at 12:16 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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Is a $7 difference over 5 years really an argument that shows the company is burning itself to the ground?
Yeah I guess if you strip all context away. It's just $7
That's a clown point. What was the high over those 5 years? It's not $7. It's $7 a share of which there are over a billion shares.
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Posted on 2/7/23 at 12:20 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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So what are some facts/numbers that tell you the movie/tv/streaming side is dragging it down or killing it? I am not dead set on my opinion. I'd love to hear facts rather than week after week complaining ever since TLJ came out.
Again, this is not a secret or some sort of Disney-hater conspiracy theory.
Disney+ has been bleeding money and a big part of the fall in Disney's stock.
LA Times Article
This post was edited on 2/7/23 at 12:21 pm
Posted on 2/7/23 at 12:30 pm to DaleGribble
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is somehow worse than any other country's.
Nobody is making that argument you’re literally making shite out of thin air
Posted on 2/7/23 at 12:30 pm to The Eric
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remember when my brother was younger this show would be on in the background and I always remember thinking "what a wholesome and fun show that depicts a unified black family with great values"
I heard about what they had done in this reboot. I watched the episode and it was sad. I was sad that the writers/producers decided to indoctrinate kids.
I was a huge fan of the original. I grew up on the show. It was great family friendly entertainment. They did have a black history month episode in the original dealing with racism, but they handled it so much better. It was very well done.
I was originally excited for the remake. I really was. But I hate to say they completely ruined one of my favorite childhood shows in multiple ways. I no longer watch, personally.
Posted on 2/7/23 at 12:32 pm to FreddieMac
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good enough to drive subscriptions
Expect Disney+ has been growing in subscriptions
Posted on 2/7/23 at 12:33 pm to UGATiger26
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Disney+ has been bleeding money and a big part of the fall in Disney's stock
That's probably because they've succeeded in losing people like me.
I probably seem autistic to the people I know with how much I've loved Star Wars and even I don't care about it anymore.
Posted on 2/7/23 at 12:34 pm to imjustafatkid
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This board was heavily left-leaning back when I got banned from THE ENTIRE WEBSITE for telling the truth about the Central Park Five here.
You are insanely delusional but that’s not surpassing given the fact you believe that gay propaganda is a thing just because gays exist
Posted on 2/7/23 at 12:49 pm to H-Town Tiger
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I don’t think “what some posters on TD said” is a useful starting point.
Well kind of the point was to show that Tigerdroppings lives in a bubble. What is the popular opinion around here is not the general opinion in real life. Instead of some I guess I could have said the majority. Regardless if the two movies dropped in the box office, they still killed it at the box office. If TLJ and TROS aren't considered a financial success to you, then no Disney movie will be. I'm sure they are completely satisfied with how they did. Solo was marketed terribly but still made a profit, but yea, you're probably right, it was a flop. It was actually a decent movie imo.
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Wow most streamed movie in the whole what 2 years of the streaming service it was generally considered a disappointment box office wise from what I’ve read, probably because of Boseman’s death. I really don’t understand why they didn’t try to replace him.
Just ignore the 850 million part
I think you read the wrong article. Made a ton of money, broke the November premiere record, broke streaming records and was nominated for a ton of awards (I'm not saying they were deserved, I didn't see it and don't plan on it). You cannot possibly say that is a disappointment. Especially not "generally considered." Disney was probably in there high fiving each other looking at the numbers. quote:
Most of those shows you listed are disappointments numbers wise. It’s literally going to be no one watching
I mean what is this based off of? Help me make sense of shows I listed making a lot of money and getting a lot of viewership is a disappointment. I mean what does it take for a movie to be considered a success? Seriously.
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Not Disney but look at Velma, people were touting “most watched HBO animated series, viewers up 127% for 2 episode or whatever but it’s getting completely trashed by critics not just “Maga” viewers.
I'm not arguing Velma. I know it sucked and the numbers are minimal because there isn't much animated stuff to compare it against at HBO so it's easy for them to make it look good. That is not the same with the movies and shows I'm talking about.
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They have been putting out a lot of crap, some of it is over saturation some of it destroying beloved characters some is the “message” but in the end it’s boils down bad writing, bad production unoriginal stories.
I know they put out a lot of crap. But part of my argument is they have stuff that financially more than make up for the crap they put out and that some of that stuff is not widely considered crap like it is on here.
I'm not some Disney defender fwiw. I was burned out on Marvel movies before Endgame and haven't seen quite a few of the MCU movies and don't plan on it. I'm not a big Star Wars fan and the only Star Wars Disney+ shows I've seen are Season 1 of Mandalorian and Obi-Wan. I don't plan on watching any of the others. The only reason I have a D+ subscription is because it's bundled with Hulu and ESPN+. But I'm not going to ignore solid numbers or complain about Disney being crap all the while keeping a subscription and supporting them and watching almost everything that comes out.
Posted on 2/7/23 at 12:57 pm to UGATiger26
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Disney+ has been bleeding money and a big part of the fall in Disney's stock.
LA Times Article
Ok that's more like it. That was more money than I would have guessed they were losing from streaming. But in fairness, they were expecting to lose money for years before it started turning a profit. If they are bleeding like that by 2024 when they were expecting to start making a profit, I'd agree that the streaming platform is in trouble.
Posted on 2/7/23 at 1:11 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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But in fairness, they were expecting to lose money for years before it started turning a profit.
True, but you also have to account for the fact that it basically launched at the height of covid and lockdowns, which is probably the most ideal launching pad that a streaming content provider could ever ask for.
I'm speculating at this point, but in addition to the millions of people in India who are basically subscribed for free, you likely have millions of households who signed up during covid and just haven't bothered to cancel despite not necessarily consuming the content with any real enthusiasm since some of the big early projects that put Disney+ on the map, like The Mandalorian.
Posted on 2/7/23 at 1:18 pm to dawgfan24348
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Expect Disney+ has been growing in subscriptions
Haha not really or enough to offset the losses.
Posted on 2/7/23 at 1:19 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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So what are some facts/numbers that tell you the movie/tv/streaming side is dragging it down or killing it? I am not dead set on my opinion. I'd love to hear facts rather than week after week complaining ever since TLJ came out.
Disney is a publicly-traded company. You could easily do a web search and confirm what I said in under 10 minutes. It isn't a secret that the parks are propping up Disney right now and they aren't investing in the parks. That statement is WHY the stock is underperforming. They aren't investing in what is making them money.
They halted all construction in the parks during COVID shutdowns, even though construction work was deemed "essential" virtually everywhere. This short-sighted decision caused some projects to drag on for over half a decade (Tron coaster, anyone?). They could have turned that opportunity into even BIGGER profits on the parks side once everything opened up, but instead they put all their investments into the entertainment side.
Then they made the absolutely mindboggling decision to advocate against the Parents Rights in Education bill in Florida, which is a bill the overwhelming majority of their target audience (families) agrees with. Pissing off your primary customer is a terrible business model, but outside of that they still have made no effort to apologize for that and are now entering into the worst case scenario with the Reedy Creek Improvement District: the Florida government is taking it over and Disney will still have to pay for the debt. What a colossally stupid business decision. How could any investor have confidence in a leadership team that makes such massively ridiculous moves?
None of that even touches on the Fox debt they assumed in that purchase, which has hampered them somewhat but they would have easily overcome that decision with sound management.
These are all things investors are acutely aware of, which is why the stock is in the tank. Disney should have been able to gain value through all of this, but instead they have mismanaged it every step of the way. On the investor side, it is obvious that nothing exciting is coming for the parks after Tron opens.
Now, don't get me wrong, it's not that the parks are just so amazing that they can't possibly fail. The reality is that much of the success of the parks right now is due to travel restrictions being lifted. Not just location-specific restrictions, but also international-travel restrictions. Disney World in Florida is just now getting through all of the rescheduled trips that had to be canceled due to government mandates. Investors are also acutely aware of this. While the average person acts like "going woke didn't make Disney go broke," people who aren't complete morons realize that Disney hasn't announced any new projects for the one segment making money since long before COVID. Even if something were to begin being developed RIGHT NOW, it will be at least 3 years before construction could even begin.
The outlook for Disney is VERY poor. I bought in when travel restrictions were lifted thinking there was no way they could screw this up, and that was a huge mistake. I'll never understand the decisions they've made since then.
TLDR: I'm a Disney investor and have been following it closely.
ETA: And no, putting out a crap product for your biggest properties (MCU, Star Wars, etc), isn't a net-0 game. It is very possible that the entertainment side could be making money if they hadn't made the conscious, and very public, decision to "go woke." Unfortunately they now seem to be continuing this trend with the parks, as the announcement of the plot surrounding the Splash Mountain retheme is just awful. It was bad enough that they were retheming it at all. Retheming it to be woke is just the absolutely worst case scenario from an investor standpoint. People don't want mega-corporation Disney lecturing them about an "employee-owned" restaurant "co-op."
This post was edited on 2/7/23 at 1:45 pm
Posted on 2/7/23 at 1:21 pm to dawgfan24348
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the fact you believe that gay propaganda is a thing just because gays exist
Nice gaslighting...
This is part of Disney's leadership.
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Posted on 2/7/23 at 1:22 pm to dawgfan24348
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Expect Disney+ has been growing in subscriptions
They are massively underperforming original projections. Largely due to losing the license to broadcast cricket in India.
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ETA: the cricket license in India was one of the major boons from the Fox purchase. Losing this license was another completely ridiculous and stupid blunder on the part of Disney leadership.
This post was edited on 2/7/23 at 9:12 pm
Posted on 2/7/23 at 2:38 pm to imjustafatkid
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Not sure if you meant to reply to me, but no I don't think that at all.
You are probably right.
Posted on 2/7/23 at 2:50 pm to invidiousEndures
You sure are a mad widdle snowflake
Posted on 2/7/23 at 2:52 pm to dawgfan24348
Okay. Then what are you bitching about? If literally every single nation on this planet has a history that includes slavery, some more brutal and longer lasting than our own, why can't you get the frick over it?
Slavery is still going on today, but people like yourself couldn't seem to give a shite about that. It's all about the 1800s in America.
Slavery is still going on today, but people like yourself couldn't seem to give a shite about that. It's all about the 1800s in America.
Posted on 2/7/23 at 3:13 pm to DaleGribble
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Then what are you bitching about?
This happens because you idiots throws a fit anytime it gets brought up and act like it’s anti American and anti white. Acknowledging the dark parts of our history is just that. But of course people like you get pissy anytime this happens. It was a slam poetry on a show about black people, on an episode that aired during black history month. This board once again fails to realize how stupid it looks, sometimes it’s women, other times it gay people, and other times it’s shite like this.
This post was edited on 2/7/23 at 3:14 pm
Posted on 2/7/23 at 3:15 pm to GeauxTigerTM
Again putting gay people in shows is just that, 50 years ago you would be the same idiot whining about black people in movies and shite. History is repeating itself and once again the people repeating it can’t see that they’re in the wrong
Posted on 2/7/23 at 3:23 pm to dawgfan24348
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Acknowledging the dark parts of our history
is fine. That's how history was taught in school when I was a kid. The dark parts were as well as the good were taught.
But that video clip is on a different planet. Holy shite. Are people really defending that?
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