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re: Did they just not know wtf to do for the last Seinfeld episode?
Posted on 2/3/22 at 11:13 am to WG_Dawg
Posted on 2/3/22 at 11:13 am to WG_Dawg
quote:I agree with your entire argument - except for this. I always thought them laughing at the fat guy while he got robbed was very OUT of character for the show. As an easy example, I'll offer Babu Batt and how Jerry bent over backwards to help him out. Ditto George with the standing security guard. Kramer walking for AIDS. etc.
They got into that conundrum in the most seinfeld-like way possible, both with kramer jumping on the plane and with the gang making fun of the fat guy.
An obvious counter-example would be Jerry and Newman refusing CPR to the guy because they were germaphobes...but at least in that instance, there was a direct negative effect to them of helping (however small it may be).
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Posted on 2/3/22 at 11:15 am to Liberator
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But...did you catch that coincidence at the time?
No. I didn't notice it until I saw the finale and first episode play back-to-back in reruns. Nice symmetry.
Posted on 2/3/22 at 11:19 am to TackySweater
any show that has the real and spectacular bosoms of Sydra is nice
Posted on 2/3/22 at 11:28 am to Big Scrub TX
quote:
I always thought them laughing at the fat guy while he got robbed was very OUT of character for the show. As an easy example, I'll offer Babu Batt and how Jerry bent over backwards to help him out. Ditto George with the standing security guard. Kramer walking for AIDS. etc.
An obvious counter-example would be Jerry and Newman refusing CPR to the guy because they were germaphobes...but at least in that instance, there was a direct negative effect to them of helping
Them being nice to people or doing good things in certain situations, in no way means it's "out of character" to make fun of a fat guy. I mean hell they make fun of people ALL THE TIME. Hundreds of exmaples, far too many to even begin to list.
you can argue that it went on for a bit longer than the "norm", but them making fun of people has been a part of the show since the beginning.
Posted on 2/3/22 at 12:03 pm to WG_Dawg
quote:I think making fun of a person (as an alternative to doing nothing) actually living through a violent crime was HIGHLY out of character for the entire show.
Them being nice to people or doing good things in certain situations, in no way means it's "out of character" to make fun of a fat guy. I mean hell they make fun of people ALL THE TIME. Hundreds of exmaples, far too many to even begin to list.
you can argue that it went on for a bit longer than the "norm", but them making fun of people has been a part of the show since the beginning.
Again, it's not the making fun - it's the ignoring a crime right in front of them. I mean Kramer fought a mugger to get his girlfriend's severed toes to the hospital.
Posted on 2/3/22 at 12:45 pm to WG_Dawg
Exactly. It was the perfect finale for what the show was, and it couldn't have been better.
Posted on 2/3/22 at 2:02 pm to wareaglepete
quote:there it is. the same ignorant take on seinfeld that you people can't get right. Seinfeld was not a show about nothing. Jerry was the show about nothing. Seinfeld started out as a show about how Jerry Seinfeld got his material. It evolved into just a show about 4 friends and their faux pas and mishaps in life. SEINFELD WAS NEVER A SHOW ABOUT NOTHING.
How do you end something that is about nothing?
Posted on 2/3/22 at 4:17 pm to arcalades
quote:I've argued this before, but last time, someone made the somewhat persuasive case that there isn't a story arc like in most shows. Like, Pam and Jim don't go from friends to spouses or Walt doesn't turn bad or whatever.
there it is. the same ignorant take on seinfeld that you people can't get right. Seinfeld was not a show about nothing. Jerry was the show about nothing. Seinfeld started out as a show about how Jerry Seinfeld got his material. It evolved into just a show about 4 friends and their faux pas and mishaps in life. SEINFELD WAS NEVER A SHOW ABOUT NOTHING.
Posted on 2/3/22 at 7:11 pm to arcalades
quote:
SEINFELD WAS NEVER A SHOW ABOUT NOTHING.
OK!!!
Posted on 2/3/22 at 7:49 pm to Big Scrub TX
Exactly. There is no overarching character development or plot involved with show.
Posted on 2/3/22 at 7:52 pm to TackySweater
Whether you like the Seinfeld finale or not, just watch Curb season 7.
Posted on 2/3/22 at 9:58 pm to Gpfather
I am so glad to know there are others who thought the finale was way better than its reputation. I thought it was fantastic then and still do.
Posted on 2/3/22 at 11:13 pm to TackySweater
He wanted everyone to end in jail so they couldn’t do any spin-offs.
Posted on 2/4/22 at 1:09 am to TackySweater
The whole point of the finale was those four were always bad people but viewers liked them so much they forgot they were horrible people. It was to remind you they’re bad and you’re not supposed to be like them. Seinfeld was way more subtle than a show like It’s Always Sunny where they’re so over the top you can’t forget they’re horrible people.
This post was edited on 2/4/22 at 2:01 am
Posted on 2/4/22 at 11:17 am to ATCTx
quote:I'll add the backwards episode as well. People love to hate on it, but it's great.
I am so glad to know there are others who thought the finale was way better than its reputation. I thought it was fantastic then and still do.
Posted on 2/4/22 at 11:22 am to Big Scrub TX
quote:
I'll add the backwards episode as well. People love to hate on it, but it's great.
Agree, it was awesome. We got FDR, "stuff your sorries in a sack", george and his painted timberlands, sue ellen mischke, etc. If it was a "regular" episode people would have no qualms with it but because it was really different people hate it.
honestly, once you get into about season 3 there isn't a bad espidoe at all all the way to the end. The first 2 seasons had some stinkers but I think that's excusable since they were still finding their footing.
Posted on 2/4/22 at 11:23 am to The Boat
quote:I can only partially agree with this. They certainly did not start the series as "always bad people". It became a little cartoonish and over the top in later seasons (after Larry David left...coincidence?)
The whole point of the finale was those four were always bad people but viewers liked them so much they forgot they were horrible people. It was to remind you they’re bad and you’re not supposed to be like them. Seinfeld was way more subtle than a show like It’s Always Sunny where they’re so over the top you can’t forget they’re horrible people.
But there is scant evidence to support the claim that they were "bad" early on. In the pilot, Jerry goes out of his way to be chivalrous with the woman coming to visit him. In general, they show non-sociopathic sensitivity to social norms - e.g. Ep 4 where Jerry attempts to "break up" with Hornbeck, but reacts to his tears. etc.
Posted on 2/4/22 at 2:03 pm to TackySweater
Larry David said there were two things that weren't allowed in the show... no hugs, no apologies. The latter fits perfectly with the ending. The four of them were really just bad people.
Posted on 2/4/22 at 2:26 pm to WG_Dawg
There really wasn't anything to "wrap up." The show centered around 4 completely self-centered people for 9 years. The finale was basically a recap of all of the "victims" of that self-centered behavior. Ultimately, they end up in a spot where they want to be anyway. Isolated in a room together talking about "nothing"
Posted on 2/4/22 at 2:51 pm to Alt26
I'm a huge Seinfeld fan and have seen the entire series at least five times and maybe 10 and I love the finale. Great way to end the series.
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