re: Conan the Barbarian starting on AMC now.

Bumping as the masterpie that is Conan is airing now on BBC America. It's the finale, but the "Crom" battlefield speech is coming.

Conan the Destroyer obviously a far cry from the original is next.

I remember the blond in the sequel was very fapworthy!!

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Conan The Symphony by the great Basil Poleduris

Don't you know the Dewey Decimal system?!?!?

On El Rey right now-started at 9 Central.

It took this thread being raised from the dead for me to finally catch the UHF reference. Bravo, sir. Bravo.

In glorious widescreen too...

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contemplate this on the tree of woe.... Crucify him

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Jones spoke that whole scene as If it were a classical Shakespearean piece or biblical reenactment. What an astounding actor and performnace

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90% of ubiquitous modern high fantasy tropes were literally invented by Tolkien

Dude. Literally.

No, I and even he would say that most of his work is derived from northern European folklore, especially that of the vikings. Everyone knows that. The fact that you don't - invalidates your opinion.

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As much linguistically as mythologically, though. I mean, what Tolkien was trying to do was create a native Anglo-British mythology (seeing as he was a professor of Anglo-Saxon, that makes sense.) While he did draw heavily on northern (and some eastern) iterations of myth, a lot of it was only tangentially related. The dwarfs of Nordic and Germanic myth, for instance, bear some resemblance to Tolkien's dwarves, for instance, but they're quite distinct. Ditto hobbits and various fairy folk. Modern fantasy treatment of these things do derive pretty directly from Tolkien and therefore only indirectly from Tolkien's precursors.

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Lovecraft, who isn’t really regarded as a “modern fantasy” author

By who? You and some figs on the internet?

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Other than the dream-cycle, and not all of that, Lovecraft's stuff would be more akin to modern 'urban horror/fantasy' with shades of steampunk than classical fantasy, though. He did have that one straight-up science fiction story, at least. If that makes me a 'fig,' so be it. I'll muddle on somehow.

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Olivia d'Abo

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Yup. And she was 14 when Conan the Destroyer was filmed.

Perverts

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The dwarfs of Nordic and Germanic myth, for instance, bear some resemblance to Tolkien's dwarves, for instance, but they're quite distinct. Ditto hobbits and various fairy folk. Modern fantasy treatment of these things do derive pretty directly from Tolkien and therefore only indirectly from Tolkien's precursors.

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So his were slightly altered. Therefore, they are new and distinct? No.

And let's not forget Lovecraft and Howard came years before Tolkien. Their worlds were completely invented. Lovecraft's supernatural mythos and the conceptual framework from which it was presented were completely invented. Both of them, Lovecraft especially, had to constantly assure fans that their creations were fictional, and I have contended for years that David Icke and the weirdos who believe in "reptile aliens" are getting the concept from Howard's original Kull villains.

Tolkien is a better, far more elaborate linear storyteller, but his work is undeniably more derivative than Howard and Lovecraft, the former of which had created a universe of sword and sorcery years before JRR had published.