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re: Captain America: Civil War RT Watch | 92% (213-19) 7.7 avg
Posted on 4/17/16 at 9:12 pm to StringedInstruments
Posted on 4/17/16 at 9:12 pm to StringedInstruments
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I think you're trolling now.
To be fair, pretty much all of his posts in this thread from the beginning have reeked of trolling. To me at least.
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Posted on 4/17/16 at 10:02 pm to StringedInstruments
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What do you mean that's just three? There are 11 films/shows, right? Isn't your point that ALL of these superheroes and battles are disrupting the lives of American citizens?
No that wasn't my point, but you haven't watched any of these movies if you believe that ordinary citizens haven't had their lives affected by these events. I'm sure things in London didn't change one single bit with the events of Thor 2. I'm sure Harlem barely noticed the Abomination and Hulk tearing through there. That New Mexico town? Nothing happen. Get out of here with that nonsense.
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TWS were in DC proper but outside of the big car chase, none of the main conflict affected people.
Yes, because Fury's incident was the only thing that went down in that movie. It's not like there was another highway scene in that movie. It's not like hundreds, if not thousands of SHIELD employees and contractors were present. The clean up alone after the TWS had to have taken months and millions, if not billions of dollars. Not to mention that it took place within a mile or two of our nation's leader. Speaking of that President, wasn't he kidnapped and strung up at a port to burn for all the world to see? I'm sure people read about that in the 4th page of their local newspaper.
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I think you're trolling now.
So because I make a point that you can't refute, that means I'm trolling?
Amateur 
Posted on 4/17/16 at 10:07 pm to ThoseGuys
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I am not going to fault them for not addressing it in the movies much when this was always in the cards.
According to the screenwriters, it wasn't. They were originally writing Cap 3 as a direct sequel to WS with Falcon and Cap in pursuit of Bucky with Baron Zemo and Crossbones as the main villains. Right after the BvS announcement, Feige came to them and told them to write Civil War and everyone but Hulk and Thor would be available to them.
Batman vs. Superman gave us Civil War
Posted on 4/17/16 at 10:42 pm to The Last Son
Re the Marvel "public backlash":
I'm not regularly following AoS, I hope they don't make that mandatory to following the films. It doesn't do a lot for me.
Thor... very, very few people are aware of exactly what happened in New Mexico. Big robot-dude trashed a town of population 50 or so, that the government (Shield) had cast a big quiet net over. Robot-dude was defeated inside a tornado... only a few would even have seen Thor, and only the government guys would know who he was.
Fast forward to Avengers- Thor is out of sight most of the movie. In the night sky, in a German forest at night, then on an invisible flying aircraft carrier the rest of the time. Lands in an empty swampland, probably in Jersey.
Appears in Manhattan AFTER the portal opens and an alien horde attacks the city, and is a major reason the city/world is saved.
Have to figure that he would be a celebrity, a major icon after that. Saving the world will earn him some goodwill.
Saves London/the world again from alien invaders. We, as the public, might not know who he is personally, but 2 things are certain: aliens be some angry mofos, and it's a good thing Thor is here or we'd be living in some Mad Max version of Earth by now.
Sokovia or wherever... Thor and pals show up again. City populace generally rescued, city not so fortunate this time. Luckily it's Eastern Europe, not L.A. or Houston (Americans watching on CNN point of view).
At this point, I'd be a lot more skeptical about my government's ability to protect me and mine from interstellar attack (wouldn't know where Ultron was from), then I would be angry about Thor. In fact, I'd want to entice him to hang around more, in the event some other weird invaders come to destroy another city/the world. Any politician questioning him would lose my vote.
Iron Man, Cap, the rest- I might be more concerned about giant flying aircraft carriers popping up out of the Potomac, than a couple of individual "heroes". Iron Man is simply a billionaire genius publicly putting his tech to work "fixing" things, and Cap is a strange relic from a bygone romantic day.
Hulk, that's an issue (like if Bigfoot were real and was tearing shite up suddenly), but the army is publicly after him; and Iron Man did come stop him most recently.
I'm not regularly following AoS, I hope they don't make that mandatory to following the films. It doesn't do a lot for me.
Thor... very, very few people are aware of exactly what happened in New Mexico. Big robot-dude trashed a town of population 50 or so, that the government (Shield) had cast a big quiet net over. Robot-dude was defeated inside a tornado... only a few would even have seen Thor, and only the government guys would know who he was.
Fast forward to Avengers- Thor is out of sight most of the movie. In the night sky, in a German forest at night, then on an invisible flying aircraft carrier the rest of the time. Lands in an empty swampland, probably in Jersey.
Appears in Manhattan AFTER the portal opens and an alien horde attacks the city, and is a major reason the city/world is saved.
Have to figure that he would be a celebrity, a major icon after that. Saving the world will earn him some goodwill.
Saves London/the world again from alien invaders. We, as the public, might not know who he is personally, but 2 things are certain: aliens be some angry mofos, and it's a good thing Thor is here or we'd be living in some Mad Max version of Earth by now.
Sokovia or wherever... Thor and pals show up again. City populace generally rescued, city not so fortunate this time. Luckily it's Eastern Europe, not L.A. or Houston (Americans watching on CNN point of view).
At this point, I'd be a lot more skeptical about my government's ability to protect me and mine from interstellar attack (wouldn't know where Ultron was from), then I would be angry about Thor. In fact, I'd want to entice him to hang around more, in the event some other weird invaders come to destroy another city/the world. Any politician questioning him would lose my vote.
Iron Man, Cap, the rest- I might be more concerned about giant flying aircraft carriers popping up out of the Potomac, than a couple of individual "heroes". Iron Man is simply a billionaire genius publicly putting his tech to work "fixing" things, and Cap is a strange relic from a bygone romantic day.
Hulk, that's an issue (like if Bigfoot were real and was tearing shite up suddenly), but the army is publicly after him; and Iron Man did come stop him most recently.
Posted on 4/17/16 at 11:14 pm to Scoob
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Thor... very, very few people are aware of exactly what happened in New Mexico. Big robot-dude trashed a town of population 50 or so, that the government (Shield) had cast a big quiet net over. Robot-dude was defeated inside a tornado... only a few would even have seen Thor, and only the government guys would know who he was.
Fast forward to Avengers- Thor is out of sight most of the movie. In the night sky, in a German forest at night, then on an invisible flying aircraft carrier the rest of the time. Lands in an empty swampland, probably in Jersey.
Appears in Manhattan AFTER the portal opens and an alien horde attacks the city, and is a major reason the city/world is saved.
Have to figure that he would be a celebrity, a major icon after that. Saving the world will earn him some goodwill.
Saves London/the world again from alien invaders. We, as the public, might not know who he is personally, but 2 things are certain: aliens be some angry mofos, and it's a good thing Thor is here or we'd be living in some Mad Max version of Earth by now.
You are looking at it from our perspective as an audience. Put yourself in that world. Sure at first we'd be thankful that Thor and crew saved us. And then the questions would start: How did the aliens get to us? Why? Where did Thor go? Are we suppose to just accept that we now have aliens (oh by the way, alien lifeforms exist!) that can rip a hole in the sky anywhere around the world and just start attacking us? So Norse Gods really exist and no one seems to think that's unusual at all?
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Iron Man, Cap, the rest- I might be more concerned about giant flying aircraft carriers popping up out of the Potomac, than a couple of individual "heroes". Iron Man is simply a billionaire genius publicly putting his tech to work "fixing" things, and Cap is a strange relic from a bygone romantic day.
Did you watch AoU? Tony created the very thing that tried to end humanity.
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but the army is publicly after him;
Since when? They were in Incredible Hulk but since then, nothing. They even had a line in AoU after he tore J-Burg up and killed dozens if not hundreds that no one was asking for his arrest despite concerns about him. Dude just went full on berserker in a city and if Tony hadn't have been nearby there's no telling how many people he could have killed. From a public point of view, whose to say he wouldn't do it again? You and I as an audience both know that he only did so because of Scarlet Witch's influence, but the people of Earth in the MCU don't know that. Hell can you imagine them trying to explain that? Oh look guys so Hulk isnt that bad of guy, he only did this because this one young woman who can manipulate people's minds told him to do it. It's all cool now!
Posted on 4/17/16 at 11:27 pm to The Last Son
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According to the screenwriters, it wasn't. They were originally writing Cap 3 as a direct sequel to WS with Falcon and Cap in pursuit of Bucky with Baron Zemo and Crossbones as the main villains. Right after the BvS announcement, Feige came to them and told them to write Civil War and everyone but Hulk and Thor would be available to them.
Batman vs. Superman gave us Civil War
Don't state that like it's a fact. Bad troll attempt.
From the link:
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Warner Bros. scheduled Batman vs. Superman for release on Captain America’s May 6 date back in January of 2014 (only later moving it up to March). Markus and McFeely were officially hired and began working on Captain America 3 in late 2013. While we’re likely to never know the real story, the timeline seems to support the theory that Marvel wanted to answer DC’s challenge with their own Hero vs. Hero blockbuster that was even bigger and Feige quickly made Civil War happen.
It's a theory. Not only that.....
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Captain America 3 and what would that be, picking up the thread that had been left behind by Winter Soldier. So it was Bucky, it was Steve and the ramifications of digging deeper into that relationship.”
This isn't a far off generalization of Civil War itself. Sure it's plausible (however, Marvel did have the May date first, and DC went right at them), but it isn't a fact.
Posted on 4/17/16 at 11:29 pm to Freauxzen
So because I state a theory that is most likely fact, that is a troll attempt? Wow you guys don't like to hear anything that doesn't agree with your worldview 
Posted on 4/17/16 at 11:37 pm to The Last Son
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So because I state a theory that is most likely fact,
But it isn't "most likely a fact," it's a plausible theory with no tangible proof. And you brought it up in a conversation to defend the entire point about superheroes vs. the public narratives....
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that is a troll attempt? Wow you guys don't like to hear anything that doesn't agree with your worldview
So yeah, that's a troll attempt. Specifically because:
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According to the screenwriters, it wasn't. They were originally writing Cap 3 as a direct sequel to WS with Falcon and Cap in pursuit of Bucky with Baron Zemo and Crossbones as the main villains. Right after the BvS announcement, Feige came to them and told them to write Civil War and everyone but Hulk and Thor would be available to them.
According to the screenwriters, we still don't know. You're mischaracterizing the article.
Posted on 4/17/16 at 11:45 pm to Freauxzen
The screenwriters literally said they were planning Captain America 3 as a direct sequel to TWS and then Feige came to them after the Batman vs Superman announcement and told them to write it as a Civil War instead. Those are facts. Now you can debate whether or not Feige decided to do Civil War because of the competition with BvS, but if you are being honest with yourself, that had to be a huge part of why he told them to do what he told them to do.
Posted on 4/17/16 at 11:45 pm to Freauxzen
Well, if BvS really did give us Civil War, at least it was good for something 
Posted on 4/17/16 at 11:50 pm to The Last Son
that's a pretty slanted reading of what was actually in the linked article.
Posted on 4/17/16 at 11:51 pm to The Last Son
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The screenwriters literally said they were planning Captain America 3 as a direct sequel to TWS and then Feige came to them after the Batman vs Superman announcement and told them to write it as a Civil War instead. Those are facts. Now you can debate whether or not Feige decided to do Civil War because of the competition with BvS, but if you are being honest with yourself, that had to be a huge part of why he told them to do what he told them to do.
That's why I quoted this:
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Captain America 3 and what would that be, picking up the thread that had been left behind by Winter Soldier. So it was Bucky, it was Steve and the ramifications of digging deeper into that relationship.”
That sounds exactly like Civil War.
But it doesn't matter because you still can't present the intention as fact, which is exactly what you did. You're an alter trolling, so I get it. But at least do a better job of it.
Posted on 4/17/16 at 11:56 pm to Freauxzen
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That sounds exactly like Civil War.
And I'm the one trolling? Everything that they;ve advertised about this movie has been about Stark vs. Rogers. Government adherence vs. Doing it your own way. They only bring up Bucky's friendship in the ads/trailers when Tony says that he is Cap's friend too. But go ahead, tell everyone how I'm a troll for pointing on the obvious in the movie's marketing. I can't wait to see this
Posted on 4/18/16 at 12:05 am to The Last Son
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nd I'm the one trolling? Everything that they;ve advertised about this movie has been about Stark vs. Rogers. Government adherence vs. Doing it your own way. They only bring up Bucky's friendship in the ads/trailers when Tony says that he is Cap's friend too.
But go ahead, tell everyone how I'm a troll for pointing on the obvious in the movie's marketing. I can't wait to see this
You must not be seeing the reactions, many are saying this is very much a Cap movie, very much a Winter Soldier sequel and Bucky-heavy.
Let's take a look at a Russo quote:
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Captain America: Civil War is a love story, among other things, according to director Joe Russo. Steve Rodgers and Bucky Barnes are at the heart of what Russo explicitly called a love story, though he's certainly talking about a fraternal one. "These are two guys who grew up together, and so they have that same emotional connection to each other as brothers would, and even more so because Bucky was all Steve had growing up," he told Empire.
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A review from the same site with your BvS quote:
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At its core, Civil War remains a movie about Steve Rogers and Bucky Barnes, two friends from Brooklyn and their enduring relationship over 60-something years. There have been a lot of jokes about the homoerotic undertones to Cap and Bucky’s friendship (and if you want to read into that, by all means), but Civil War is still very much a platonic love story between two super-bros.
Another review:
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The "Steve/Bucky thread" that stretches to the first Captain America movie helps make this "Cap Three rather than Avengers Two-and-a-half."
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Posted on 4/18/16 at 12:15 am to Freauxzen
I'm not going to post other quotes from those reviews because they'll get into spoiler territory, but you are cherry picking what you want out of those reviews. They very much state that it is a Stark vs. Rogers, ensemble movie. The relationship between Rogers, Bucky, and ultimately Stark may be what is the initial conflict, but it clearly goes well beyond that. Hell Bucky is supposedly not even present for the event that makes the government decided to bring in Cap, BW, and Falcon to answer for their actions. Supposedly the character that is the cause of them being brought in isn't actually brought in, but that's getting into spoiler territory.
Also, I was talking about the ads for the movie, not the reactions to the movie. They have been all about selling you Avengers vs. Avengers. I'm sure that the screenwriters included in this movie a lot of what they were going to include into Cap 3 if it was a standalone movie, but once BvS was announced for "their" date, the stakes got raised and there was no way Marvel was going to get shown up by the second movie in a series when this was going to be their 13th movie in the MCU. How do you make sure you "win"? Make it Avengers 2.5. Not really sure why you are arguing against that. It's pretty clear what happened.
Also, I was talking about the ads for the movie, not the reactions to the movie. They have been all about selling you Avengers vs. Avengers. I'm sure that the screenwriters included in this movie a lot of what they were going to include into Cap 3 if it was a standalone movie, but once BvS was announced for "their" date, the stakes got raised and there was no way Marvel was going to get shown up by the second movie in a series when this was going to be their 13th movie in the MCU. How do you make sure you "win"? Make it Avengers 2.5. Not really sure why you are arguing against that. It's pretty clear what happened.
Posted on 4/18/16 at 6:17 am to The Last Son
quote:I was.
You are looking at it from our perspective as an audience. Put yourself in that world.
You mention that Tony Stark created Ultron; I'm saying the general public would not know that. All they'd know was that this was yet another attack on a city that the conventional military was unable to respond to, and Thor/Iron Man/Cap etc were able to stop that assault (or at least, rescue a lot of people, and prevent the attack from continuing beyond the destruction of the city).
quote:Ummm, yes. Both NYC and London, within a period of a couple of years, have been points of attack.
Are we suppose to just accept that we now have aliens (oh by the way, alien lifeforms exist!) that can rip a hole in the sky anywhere around the world and just start attacking us?
What are you arguing? Do you think the Marvel world should be rioting and falling into anarchy?
Posted on 4/18/16 at 8:03 am to Freauxzen
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You're an alter trolling,
Literally one of those things that makes this entire forum hard to read at times... This guy is so obviously some asshat's alter and yet he's allowed to continue to shite all over thread after thread...
Posted on 4/19/16 at 12:21 am to GeauxTigerTM
A new Audi ad gives an extended look at the scene with Black Panther and Captain America chasing Bucky
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Posted on 4/19/16 at 12:31 am to MrTide33
Goddamn they made Cap and Bucky fast.
Posted on 4/19/16 at 1:41 am to Shiftyplus1
My thoughts exactly, a little too fast.
I mean I like that WS and Cap pretty much are on the same level with Zoller's experiments on Bucky pretty much equaling the Super Solider Serum. And I like that they are stronger and faster than humans. But running faster than cars is too Superhuman for Cap and Bucky.
Maybe Black Panther can get away with it, but they're too fast IMO.
ETA: I mean in retrospect, I guess it's not out of the question for them to be that fast. They are supposed to have peak human condition. So they have the strength of how strong a human can possible be and the peak speed of how fast a human can be, which can be pretty damn fast, like cheetah, 60 mph fast. So I guess it's not that crazy.
I mean I like that WS and Cap pretty much are on the same level with Zoller's experiments on Bucky pretty much equaling the Super Solider Serum. And I like that they are stronger and faster than humans. But running faster than cars is too Superhuman for Cap and Bucky.
Maybe Black Panther can get away with it, but they're too fast IMO.
ETA: I mean in retrospect, I guess it's not out of the question for them to be that fast. They are supposed to have peak human condition. So they have the strength of how strong a human can possible be and the peak speed of how fast a human can be, which can be pretty damn fast, like cheetah, 60 mph fast. So I guess it's not that crazy.
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