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re: ‘Captain America: Brave New World’ Suffers 68% Drop in Second Weekend
Posted on 2/24/25 at 9:51 am to iwyLSUiwy
Posted on 2/24/25 at 9:51 am to iwyLSUiwy
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The first Dr. Strange was one of my favorites in the entire MCU and Scarlet Witch is my favorite character. So I was pretty pumped for that one. It was laughably bad imo. I didn't go in with high hopes because The zombie stuff was just too much, comically bad.
Loved WandaVision though.
Agreed on all counts.
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Posted on 2/24/25 at 9:57 am to Mickey Goldmill
The zombie shite was distracting and a little over the top but i did like the ending and thought it made up for it
Who would've expected that part with strange and the younger strong female character to go that way?
Who would've expected that part with strange and the younger strong female character to go that way?
This post was edited on 2/24/25 at 9:57 am
Posted on 2/24/25 at 10:00 am to Ace Midnight
This is NOT intended to be a for or against Disney/this film post at all, but if you are "breaking even" on a $400+ million investment, that is the kind of thing that gets people fired. This is especially true when considering that Marvel was breaking a billion with multiple films over 5 years ago.
Saying it is going to be future content for D+ doesn't exactly help a lot since that service is losing money for them at the moment. There is no ignoring the fact that Disney's stock price and company valuation has seen a big decline. Major films failing to make money isn't going to help investor perception or the financial reality.
I have no desire for Marvel/Disney to fail if they can make good movies, but there has to be a course correction at some point. I haven't seen this one yet, but hearing that it's on par with Black Widow and Shang-Chi makes me likely to wait for it to be streamable. The notion of shooting sans script and cobbling together multiple shoots and storylines into a coherent film is crazy.
Saying it is going to be future content for D+ doesn't exactly help a lot since that service is losing money for them at the moment. There is no ignoring the fact that Disney's stock price and company valuation has seen a big decline. Major films failing to make money isn't going to help investor perception or the financial reality.
I have no desire for Marvel/Disney to fail if they can make good movies, but there has to be a course correction at some point. I haven't seen this one yet, but hearing that it's on par with Black Widow and Shang-Chi makes me likely to wait for it to be streamable. The notion of shooting sans script and cobbling together multiple shoots and storylines into a coherent film is crazy.
Posted on 2/24/25 at 10:06 am to Crimson K
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Saying it is going to be future content for D+ doesn't exactly help a lot since that service is losing money for them at the moment.
At the rate you Disney financial monitors always get the numbers wrong and claim Disney is losing money it would almost seem intentional.
Posted on 2/24/25 at 10:14 am to Corinthians420
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Deadpool & Wolverine, Black Panther 2, Multiverse of Madness, Captain Marvel were all huge financial successes.
Captain Marvel was pre-Endgame/pre-pandemic - and it was a big hit.
Setting aside Black Widow (because it should rightly be considered an outlier - that was deep pandemic) -
Take the mainline films Shang-Chi through Wakanda Forever - 4 films, $850m listed prod budget, call it $2.85b WW gross - rents probably came back just under $1.5b - there is minimal secondary market in the Disney+ era, these things don't sell toys and so forth.
Figure at least $400m for marketing 4 films, so they made, all in, about 1/4 billion, plus whatever advertising deals and, of course the UK film credits.
If they didn't have those film credits, it wouldn't even be a viable business model.
They're not doing any better, film-to-film in the Antman 3, Marvels era since then, I wouldn't think.
This post was edited on 2/24/25 at 1:06 pm
Posted on 2/24/25 at 10:20 am to CP3forMVP
My biggest issue with Wakanda Forever was shoehorning in Ironheart.
She had a rough start in the comics, and that version of her is actually likeable (personality wise) - the one given to us in the movies wasn't.
There's just no reason to cheer for her in the movie. I get that some folks are snarky, but remember that Stark is only a complete jerk at the beginning of his movie - his near death and the sacrifice of his friend to help him escape (but talk about a character never mentioned again - yeesh) gives him a character arc to someone we actually want to succeed.
Ironheart, sharing screen time with Suri and others, never gets any of that. She's just a jerk to people, and fires on officers doing their jobs (ones she can avoid easily enough, considering she can fly).
She's also part of the "Marvel telling us they like the character so we have to as well" problem
She had a rough start in the comics, and that version of her is actually likeable (personality wise) - the one given to us in the movies wasn't.
There's just no reason to cheer for her in the movie. I get that some folks are snarky, but remember that Stark is only a complete jerk at the beginning of his movie - his near death and the sacrifice of his friend to help him escape (but talk about a character never mentioned again - yeesh) gives him a character arc to someone we actually want to succeed.
Ironheart, sharing screen time with Suri and others, never gets any of that. She's just a jerk to people, and fires on officers doing their jobs (ones she can avoid easily enough, considering she can fly).
She's also part of the "Marvel telling us they like the character so we have to as well" problem
Posted on 2/24/25 at 10:24 am to Corinthians420
They're using Hulu to make streaming profitable and they're hell-bent on killing Hulu and folding it into D+.
Disney wastes money like something that rhymes with hovernment.
They're also neglecting the parks, DW particularly.
Disney wastes money like something that rhymes with hovernment.
They're also neglecting the parks, DW particularly.
Posted on 2/24/25 at 10:24 am to Corinthians420
As I said in my post, I am not hoping for a Disney failure. If you look at what you posted, it doesn't say D+ was a money maker. It says that D+, HULU and ESPN+ combined made money. D+ is losing subscribers, which has been a continuing trend.
Posted on 2/24/25 at 10:26 am to Ace Midnight
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Figure at least $400m for marketing 4 films, so they made, all in, about 1/4 billion, plus whatever advertising deals and, of course the UK film credits.
Multiverse of Madness alone beats your profit estimate.
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They're not doing any better, film-to-film in the Antman 3, Marvels era since then, I wouldn't think
Deadpool and wolverine made over a billion in profit.
Thats enough to fund 40 more movies that lose what yall are claiming brave new world will lose.
Disney also released inside out 2 last year, so add another 40 failures that are made up for.
Its hard to go broke making a profit. Their market cap is 4x what it was in their "hayday"
This post was edited on 2/24/25 at 10:28 am
Posted on 2/24/25 at 10:28 am to Corinthians420
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Deadpool and wolverine made over a billion in profit.
If you're not going to even pretend to understand how it works, we're done.
Thank you.
Posted on 2/24/25 at 10:33 am to Ace Midnight
Well go argue with the AI, im not the one making up these numbers. You on the other hand seem to wanna create your own numbers to fit the story you are trying to sell
Next youll tell me that deadpool & wolverine made $0 dollars on merchandise and spent $800 million on advertising on ESPN (also Disney owned)
Next youll tell me that deadpool & wolverine made $0 dollars on merchandise and spent $800 million on advertising on ESPN (also Disney owned)
This post was edited on 2/24/25 at 10:40 am
Posted on 2/24/25 at 10:42 am to skrayper
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She's also part of the "Marvel telling us they like the character so we have to as well" problem
This is what killed interest in current day comics for me and Fiege has carried it over to the MCU.
Posted on 2/24/25 at 10:48 am to Corinthians420
D&W was very profitable but they didn't profit 1 billion lol. That AI is dumb. Studios only get 50-60% of ticket sales, domestically. Even less in a lot of international markets.
Posted on 2/24/25 at 10:59 am to RLDSC FAN
Lol yeah the AI is just doing what these posters are doing the opposite way.
We can argue numbers all day and go nowhere because we will never know the true numbers.
Which is why arguing over them is pointless.
Any win can be countered by pulling a number from a diff spot or changing how we calculate them.
My favorite example to use is the advertising budget. If Disney pays ESPN $150k for a 30 second deadpool and wolverine ad during a Wednesday night NBA game how much did Dosney spend on advertising?
If they "pay" ESPN $1 million for that same ad spot how much did Disney spend?
We can argue numbers all day and go nowhere because we will never know the true numbers.
Which is why arguing over them is pointless.
Any win can be countered by pulling a number from a diff spot or changing how we calculate them.
My favorite example to use is the advertising budget. If Disney pays ESPN $150k for a 30 second deadpool and wolverine ad during a Wednesday night NBA game how much did Dosney spend on advertising?
If they "pay" ESPN $1 million for that same ad spot how much did Disney spend?
This post was edited on 2/24/25 at 11:02 am
Posted on 2/24/25 at 11:03 am to Corinthians420
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we will never know the true numbers.
Except we have seen Disney get caught lying about their numbers at least 2x already.
But just trust the mouse & get ready to consume next content.
Posted on 2/24/25 at 11:08 am to SouthEasternKaiju
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get ready to consume next content
I am.
Currently that content is daredevil. Show seems pretty good so far.
Posted on 2/24/25 at 11:16 am to JasonMason
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They didn't have to acknowledge it and they should have recast. It's sad what happened but t'challa didn't die. Boseman did. It was short sighted to kill him off. Delay the movie and recast. How many Batmans have we had? How many Spider-Mans?
I agree that they should have recast the role, but when they didn't, they had to acknowledge it. There's plenty of rumors swirling at the moment that they will be recasting the role
Posted on 2/24/25 at 11:19 am to CP3forMVP
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There's plenty of rumors swirling at the moment that they will be recasting the role
At this point doing that seems like they are admitting they made a mistake. You can't bring in a multiverse t'challa and just pretend he's the same character. They missed the boat on that. We'll see what they do I guess.
Posted on 2/24/25 at 11:25 am to SouthEasternKaiju
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But just trust the youtube dude or the magazine article & get ready to not watch anymore Disney content out of spite.
Posted on 2/24/25 at 11:32 am to TeddyPadillac
Who wants to watch content when you can discuss content without watching it and call the people that do watch it wrong?
This post was edited on 2/24/25 at 11:33 am
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