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re: Can I get a list of the sad souls who hated Star Wars?
Posted on 12/26/15 at 4:51 pm to Scruffy
Posted on 12/26/15 at 4:51 pm to Scruffy
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It is an all-around fun movie that starts a new enjoyable trilogy.
I agree -- but at the same time, it still has its share of flaws which are open to criticism.
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Posted on 12/26/15 at 4:52 pm to abellsujr
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I really don't understand how anyone could "hate" this movie. It's a good movie. It may not have met some people's unrealistic expectations, but I don't see how people could say it was a bad movie.
Agreed. Some of the reviews here are such pretentious bullshite. If you couldn't enjoy that movie... well, that's just sad.
Posted on 12/26/15 at 4:58 pm to OMLandshark
Do any of you vaginas who down voted me care to tell me where I'm wrong, or do you just prefer to lurk from the shadows like pussies?
This post was edited on 12/26/15 at 4:59 pm
Posted on 12/26/15 at 5:12 pm to fr33manator
quote:my god. All of this.
JJ could take a shite in your mouth and you'd smile and say it tasted like chocolate. You've
There is so much struggling to find meaning and think this movie is good.
Posted on 12/26/15 at 5:32 pm to blueboy
I mean, it's one thing to have enjoyed your time at the film, seeing some old characters and being back in "Star Wars". I had a good time.
But that in no way means that anyone with half a brain couldn't see that thing was rife with regurgitated plot points, lazy writing, cheesy acting, SJW casting choices, and pandering.
For all the shite they got, at least Lucas told a new story in the prequels. Yes, it was full of fluff and cheese and stuff put in solely for the merchandising. It was a money grab. And a successful one.
TFA has been the same amount of money grabbing and forced in characters (come on, Captain Phasma!? They are selling shirts with her on them next to Kylo Ren. They are trying to act like she was some big villain when she was an AWFUL captain. Who did essentially nothing.) except they didn't even bother to tell a new story.
And it went far past the level of "homage" or "a nod to fans".
It was a recycled plot. With a shiny new coat of paint and some extra baubles.
It's like they know that no matter what they do they'll be printing money. (Remember how well the prequels did despite being panned in hindsight?) So nothing they do is a real risk. And the result is Star Wars being back. But it isn't the Star Wars that is deserved.
But that in no way means that anyone with half a brain couldn't see that thing was rife with regurgitated plot points, lazy writing, cheesy acting, SJW casting choices, and pandering.
For all the shite they got, at least Lucas told a new story in the prequels. Yes, it was full of fluff and cheese and stuff put in solely for the merchandising. It was a money grab. And a successful one.
TFA has been the same amount of money grabbing and forced in characters (come on, Captain Phasma!? They are selling shirts with her on them next to Kylo Ren. They are trying to act like she was some big villain when she was an AWFUL captain. Who did essentially nothing.) except they didn't even bother to tell a new story.
And it went far past the level of "homage" or "a nod to fans".
It was a recycled plot. With a shiny new coat of paint and some extra baubles.
It's like they know that no matter what they do they'll be printing money. (Remember how well the prequels did despite being panned in hindsight?) So nothing they do is a real risk. And the result is Star Wars being back. But it isn't the Star Wars that is deserved.
Posted on 12/26/15 at 5:39 pm to fr33manator
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For all the shite they got, at least Lucas told a new story in the prequels.
And it was garbage. Could you imagine if he was at a table with 10 writers and producers that had the same creative input and Lucas said "yeah, we should focus on trade routes and taxation as the primary conflict of Episode I"? They would have shut him down without hearing him out remotely. They would have been focused on Obi Wan and Anakin's relationship and how to make it organic, recycled plots be damned.
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TFA has been the same amount of money grabbing and forced in characters (come on, Captain Phasma!? They are selling shirts with her on them next to Kylo Ren. They are trying to act like she was some big villain when she was an AWFUL captain. Who did essentially nothing.) except they didn't even bother to tell a new story.
The prequels had Jar Jar Binks, so please stop trying to compare Phasma to that retarded cash grab for 4 year olds.
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Remember how well the prequels did despite being panned in hindsight?
And they didn't get close to breaking Dark Knight opening weekend records their second weekend. People heard it was garbage, saw it, and didn't go back. Only stupid kiddies, like myself at the time, went back and thought it was the best simply for the special effects.
Posted on 12/26/15 at 5:47 pm to OMLandshark
Telling a halfway original story is still better than telling someone else's story with a few name changes. It has no integrity.
An Phasma (not to mention Rey the inexplicably powerful) is a cash grab for young girls. And Finn is a cash grab for black kids. Kylo for the angsty emo crowd. The whole thing is a cash grab. And for that, it's brilliant.
Doesn't make a well-done film.
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The prequels had Jar Jar Binks, so please stop trying to compare Phasma to that retarded cash grab for 4 year olds.
An Phasma (not to mention Rey the inexplicably powerful) is a cash grab for young girls. And Finn is a cash grab for black kids. Kylo for the angsty emo crowd. The whole thing is a cash grab. And for that, it's brilliant.
Doesn't make a well-done film.
Posted on 12/26/15 at 8:28 pm to abellsujr
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That may be an unpopular opinion around here, but I'm with you. The Empire Strikes Back was to only one I thought was better.
Empire
Hope/TFA
Jedi
Unlimited amount of spaces added
Hayden Christensen and Jar-Jar-Binks and nooooooooooooo
Posted on 12/26/15 at 9:23 pm to ShortyRob
quote:I saw the movie on Saturday, and the further I get away from that viewing, the more this complaint seems a little too bitchy. Yes, if you watch the movies back to back, you will notice a whole lot of similarities; but they are almost 40 years apart. We finished the OT, then got 3 movies of random, soulless Jedi history that had little connection to the OT, before we get this.
I didn't hate it.
It was a perfectly excellent remake of A New Hope.
Unfortunately, it was supposed to be Episode SEVEN!
This is right up in your face, telling you this isn't going to be like the prequels, we are going back to "REAL" Star Wars. It set that tone with the clarity and forcefulness of a sledge hammer, and that is what we all wanted.
Posted on 12/26/15 at 10:04 pm to fr33manator
TFA has a host of issues. It's rushed, the acting is rough early from everyone but Ridley and Driver, the plot is somewhat regurgitated, they misuse several characters/actors, there are a host of mcguffins, Rey is a bit too good at everything...etc.
It's still an above average film. If you want to talk about acting, look at the OT. Hammil was pretty bad in ANH for example.
The main complaint of this thread has been Kylo Ren, when he was one of the best things about the movie from a technical, writing, design, and development standpoint.
But he doesn't make a good "Star Wars" villain. So it's a bad decision.
JJ didn't make a master piece, but he wasn't asked to. None of the movies are on their own. He was asked to show everyone the future is bright, and it is. He simply placed the chess pieces on the board, and moved a few pawns.
All the while, making a high priced fan flick.
It's still an above average film. If you want to talk about acting, look at the OT. Hammil was pretty bad in ANH for example.
The main complaint of this thread has been Kylo Ren, when he was one of the best things about the movie from a technical, writing, design, and development standpoint.
But he doesn't make a good "Star Wars" villain. So it's a bad decision.
JJ didn't make a master piece, but he wasn't asked to. None of the movies are on their own. He was asked to show everyone the future is bright, and it is. He simply placed the chess pieces on the board, and moved a few pawns.
All the while, making a high priced fan flick.
Posted on 12/26/15 at 10:09 pm to VaBamaMan
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All the while, making a high priced fan flick.
Yeah, the Force Awakens really may be the most highly priced fan film ever made. You can tell that JJ loves Star Wars and understands meticulously why the franchise works. He gave the fans the exact film they asked for in this. Now in the sequels, it's time to get creative again plot-wise.
Posted on 12/26/15 at 10:10 pm to fr33manator
To all of those whining and complaining. I want to see how much you actually paid attention.
What easter egg did Boyega throw while trying to find medical supplies for Chewie?
Remember, I've only seen this whole thing once. Yet I know what it is. Among many others. Most were more obvious than this one though.
What easter egg did Boyega throw while trying to find medical supplies for Chewie?
Remember, I've only seen this whole thing once. Yet I know what it is. Among many others. Most were more obvious than this one though.
Posted on 12/26/15 at 10:22 pm to OMLandshark
quote:This is the point many pick on to bash this film, but it really doesn't make any sense at all to complain about it.
Yeah, the Force Awakens really may be the most highly priced fan film ever made. You can tell that JJ loves Star Wars and understands meticulously why the franchise works. He gave the fans the exact film they asked for in this.
I didn't go in planning to watch a potential Oscar candidate for best drama, nor did I expect to see any acting performances nuanced and thoughtful enough to be nominated. I mean, it's fricking Star Wars. I wanted lightsaber hacking, Tie Fighters sounding like Stuka dive bombers (and they actually made a dive bombing run!
), and spectacularly fun adventures with a brilliant musical score in the background. I wanted Han and Chewie to shoot Storm Troopers. I wanted that ugly scrapheap of a freighter flying around unbelievably. I got all that in a major movie for the first time in 30 years. I'm very happy.
Posted on 12/26/15 at 11:11 pm to VaBamaMan
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To all of those whining and complaining. I want to see how much you actually paid attention.
What easter egg did Boyega throw while trying to find medical supplies for Chewie?
The training droid from ANH.
Posted on 12/26/15 at 11:19 pm to Yellerhammer5
Judging by some of the criticisms. Many people didn't pay attention. Because the answer, or reason, regarding what they are complaining about was in there.
Wait, are you a whiner and complainer? I've lost track in this thread.
This post was edited on 12/26/15 at 11:20 pm
Posted on 12/26/15 at 11:30 pm to VaBamaMan
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Wait, are you a whiner and complainer? I've lost track in this thread.
I think most of the complaints about TFA in this thread are valid. People will start to realize them more and more once the high wears off.
Posted on 12/26/15 at 11:48 pm to Yellerhammer5
I mean, I listed a few issues myself. I don't disagree at all that it disappointed in several ways.
But certain complaints just aren't valid.
The crowd who wants Kylo to basically be Vader, would piss off the group who think it was way too close to the OT.
Some have made both complaints.
But certain complaints just aren't valid.
The crowd who wants Kylo to basically be Vader, would piss off the group who think it was way too close to the OT.
Some have made both complaints.
Posted on 12/27/15 at 8:32 am to OMLandshark
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Because we got so much shite from the prequels that didn't feel like Star Wars that it pissed everyone else.
Is it possible to then make a Star Wars movie that isn't a plot for plot rehash of the earlier films?
Also, was it recycled plot points that made it feel like a Star Wars film or was it something else?
Finally, if the recycling that make it a Star Wars movie. What does that mean for the future? How much creative freedom exists in the Star Wars universe?
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First off the script has gotten very high praise from everyone who has read it.
And these are people who are attached to the film in some capacity, no? Or, at the very least, are friends with people who are.
Wouldn't that change how you talked about it?
This post was edited on 12/27/15 at 8:44 am
Posted on 12/27/15 at 9:27 am to abellsujr
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I really don't understand how anyone could "hate" this movie. It's a good movie. It may not have met some people's unrealistic expectations, but I don't see how people could say it was a bad movie.
I don't hate it, but I could give it more than two out of five stars.
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unrealistic expectations
We would be much more critical if it wasn't Star Wars.
Posted on 12/27/15 at 9:31 am to Lima Whiskey
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Is it possible to then make a Star Wars movie that isn't a plot for plot rehash of the earlier films?
Also, was it recycled plot points that made it feel like a Star Wars film or was it something else?
Finally, if the recycling that make it a Star Wars movie. What does that mean for the future? How much creative freedom exists in the Star Wars universe?
You're not getting my point. My point is to relaunch the brand you need to do something familiar for the audience and get the story to a point where it needs to be to launch creativity with the storytelling. Episode VII pulled this off perfectly. Episode VIII and IX I expect to be much different than V and VI respectively. They need to be different to justify this trilogy's existence. This movie doesn't on its own, but it's a great start and makes up greatly for the shortfalls of the prequels and Return of the Jedi.
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And these are people who are attached to the film in some capacity, no? Or, at the very least, are friends with people who are.
Wouldn't that change how you talked about it?
JJ And Kasden have given it high marks and are a bit pissed they didn't agree to work on the project. Yes, they do have a vested interest, but to say that Rian Johnson will make a better movie than they did right during their big release is high praise.
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