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Bob Odenkirk on why he always hated Chris Farley's "Chippendale" sketch
Posted on 8/2/22 at 10:25 pm
Posted on 8/2/22 at 10:25 pm
One of the more genuine and compassionate angles I've ever heard on this from someone who obviously knew and loved Farley dearly.
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Odenkirk almost loses it when he starts to talk about how Farley viewed himself and when he saw the slight hesitation in Farley's face right before he had to strip down to almost nothing in the famous SNL Chippendales sketch.
"I just wish he didn't come to everyone's attention that way. It wasn't good for him."
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Odenkirk almost loses it when he starts to talk about how Farley viewed himself and when he saw the slight hesitation in Farley's face right before he had to strip down to almost nothing in the famous SNL Chippendales sketch.
"I just wish he didn't come to everyone's attention that way. It wasn't good for him."
This post was edited on 8/2/22 at 10:28 pm
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Posted on 8/2/22 at 10:42 pm to Jack Ruby
I just watched that and Bob Odenkirk sounds like a guy who feels guilty about something. Something he's holding back.
And that Chippendale sketch. I didn't think it was funny because the "fat guy" was making a fool of himself. I thought it was funny because it was the Mount Everest of irony and Farley absolutely sold the shite out of it and he did it without any hesitation at all.
Howard 1.0 would've asked Bob what he felt so guilty about.
Anyway, good post.
And that Chippendale sketch. I didn't think it was funny because the "fat guy" was making a fool of himself. I thought it was funny because it was the Mount Everest of irony and Farley absolutely sold the shite out of it and he did it without any hesitation at all.
Howard 1.0 would've asked Bob what he felt so guilty about.
Anyway, good post.
This post was edited on 8/2/22 at 10:44 pm
Posted on 8/2/22 at 10:54 pm to Jack Ruby
"a good chunk of this reaction is because of my body shape.."
No shite? That was the whole point of the skit.
Would Farley be the same comedian if not for his combination of "physique" and wit? Don't know. I doubt it. I'm sure he was a good guy but he made some seriously bad choices in his life that led to his downfall. Many comedians, male and female, have made a very successful career off of self-deprecating humor and lived fruitful lives and enjoyed the rewards.
I love Farley but this is a revisionist type response by Odenkirk that checks all the progressive boxes on body image etc.
No shite? That was the whole point of the skit.
Would Farley be the same comedian if not for his combination of "physique" and wit? Don't know. I doubt it. I'm sure he was a good guy but he made some seriously bad choices in his life that led to his downfall. Many comedians, male and female, have made a very successful career off of self-deprecating humor and lived fruitful lives and enjoyed the rewards.
I love Farley but this is a revisionist type response by Odenkirk that checks all the progressive boxes on body image etc.
This post was edited on 8/2/22 at 10:57 pm
Posted on 8/2/22 at 11:05 pm to Jack Ruby
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"I just wish he didn't come to everyone's attention that way. It wasn't good for him."
Spade and Sandler have said similar things about the sketch. Yes it was hilarious, but Farley let it define him which was bad. Granted I think he was doomed regardless.
This post was edited on 8/2/22 at 11:07 pm
Posted on 8/2/22 at 11:15 pm to OMLandshark
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I think he was doomed regardless.
Agreed.
Trying to conflate the two is disingenuous after the fact.
His life can be tragic and we can have empathy for the man while accepting the post "SJW" era revision to his story is lacking a lot of context.
This post was edited on 8/2/22 at 11:16 pm
Posted on 8/2/22 at 11:16 pm to OMLandshark
quote:sandler even said it in the lyrics to his Farley song in his last standup
Granted I think he was doomed regardless.
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After a show he'd drink a quart of Jack Daniels then stick the bottle right up his arse
But hungover as hell that Catholic boy always showed up to morning mass
We'd tell him "Slow down, you'll end up like Belushi and Candy"
He said "Those guys are my heroes, that's all fine and dandy"
Posted on 8/2/22 at 11:25 pm to kilo
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Agreed.
Trying to conflate the two is disingenuous after the fact.
His life can be tragic and we can have empathy for the man while accepting the post "SJW" era revision to his story is lacking a lot of context.
While again, I think he was doomed to his fate, the Chippendale sketch by all accounts escalated Farley’s inevitable fate. All of his friends hate that sketch as funny as it may be.
Chris Rock dropped him off at his apartment two weeks before he died after he crashed his stand up in Chicago. While he delivered Farley personally back to his apartment, Farley begged Rock not to leave him, but regardless he said he was sure that was going to be the last time he saw him alive. Farley is a very tragic figure.
I like how Norm tried to cheer him up (in which I think he was correct) about Farley not living up to his idol Belushi. Norm told Farley that Belushi was merely a great performer, but not actually funny unlike Farley. He told Farley he had well surpassed his idol, but Farley never believed him.
This post was edited on 8/2/22 at 11:28 pm
Posted on 8/2/22 at 11:41 pm to OMLandshark
Posted on 8/3/22 at 12:02 am to OMLandshark
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All of his friends hate that sketch, even if they’ll admit it is funny.
The point being that skit was NOT the first time Farley participated in self-depreciating humor in his career. He, in fact, made that a staple during his early stand up and parlayed that into his gig on SNL.
We can accept that he was very talented but lived a very tragic life while understanding that skit didn't lead to his demise.
Posted on 8/3/22 at 1:01 am to kilo
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"a good chunk of this reaction is because of my body shape.."
No shite? That was the whole point of the skit.
Would Farley be the same comedian if not for his combination of "physique" and wit? Don't know. I doubt it. I'm sure he was a good guy but he made some seriously bad choices in his life that led to his downfall. Many comedians, male and female, have made a very successful career off of self-deprecating humor and lived fruitful lives and enjoyed the rewards.
I love Farley but this is a revisionist type response by Odenkirk that checks all the progressive boxes on body image etc.
Man I dont know. I agree with you that he made his choices and they were poor enough to tragically end his life.
I think what Odenkirk is saying is that it was obvious to Farley's close friends that he had demons about his fat clumsy oaf persona. And if thats true, then the Chippendales sketch was both his breakout success on snl, and a clear confirmation to him that this is how he is perceived and thats what the people want out of him. Thats pretty tough stuff if deep down that persona makes you sad and injures your confidence and sense of self worth. Sounds like it was painful enough for him that he was using drugs just to try to numb those feelings, maybe even permanently.
Posted on 8/3/22 at 1:16 am to kilo
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but this is a revisionist type response by Odenkirk that checks all the progressive boxes on body image etc.
You can't complain about checklists when you chime in with your own lists of political buzzwords to demonstrate how you completely missed the point of comments made by multiple friends of Farley over the years.
Posted on 8/3/22 at 5:11 am to kilo
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checks all the progressive boxes on body image etc
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the post "SJW" era revision to his story
Man makes a sincere statement about his deceased friend? Go be WOKE somewhere else LIBTURD!
Posted on 8/3/22 at 6:58 am to Jack Ruby
While I'm obviously not Chris Farley I get it. I played the oafish jester type in high school because I was socially inept and I thought it made me friends. It hit me like a brick wall that most of those assholes were laughing at me around senior year. Luckily I was some nobody that could escape to college with very little carry over other than refusing to use my nickname and do my old bits.
Posted on 8/3/22 at 7:47 am to Jcorye1
What was your nickname?
Posted on 8/3/22 at 8:17 am to Jack Ruby
I didn't watch or listen to the interview, but if Odenkirk or Rock are saying this skit helped kill Farley then they aren't being honest with how troubled Farley actually was, and it didn't have shite to do with how he was viewed in his career. Farley was successful, and had money and pressure to perform same as many hollywood actors who succumbed to a life of drugs. Farley was hilarious, that was an elite funny skit, and yes people laughed because Farley was fat as that was the whole premise of the skit next to Swayze. It also would've worked if you had Rock/Spade/Sandler/Norm next to Swayze as well. Would any of those guys have hit rock bottom because of that?
Posted on 8/3/22 at 8:20 am to Doug_H
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I didn't watch or listen to the interview, but if Odenkirk or Rock are saying this skit helped kill Farley then they aren't being honest with how troubled Farley actually was, and it didn't have shite to do with how he was viewed in his career. Farley was successful, and had money and pressure to perform same as many hollywood actors who succumbed to a life of drugs. Farley was hilarious, that was an elite funny skit, and yes people laughed because Farley was fat as that was the whole premise of the skit next to Swayze. It also would've worked if you had Rock/Spade/Sandler/Norm next to Swayze as well. Would any of those guys have hit rock bottom because of that?
Agreed with most of that. It wasn't a GOAT simply because Farley was fat or the writing. It's because of Farley's uncanny agility and athleticism that let him pull off physical comedy that no one with that body type should be able to pull off.
Posted on 8/3/22 at 8:33 am to Doug_H
that skit wasn't funny "because he was fat" though. Yes, that's the crux of it and what makes it great. But it was just as much Farley's athleticism and performance that made that skit. If it was just a fat guy "being fat," then it wouldn't have killed like it did. It killed because Farley was pulling off moves just as good as, or even better than, Swayze.
Do people like Spade hate the Matt Foley character? Because Farley's weight had a lot to do with why that was funny too, and he was always being the "fat guy that crashed into things" in that one too. Yet Spade couldn't contain his laughter during some of those skits. Because they were legit hilarious.
Farley was a special talent, for sure. And it's cool to see just how revered he was by his peers. I even understand why some of them aren't huge fans of that Chippendale skit. But I wonder if they felt the same about it back then, when they were all riding the wave of success from SNL (which was greatly due to Farley at the time). It's easy to sit back 25/30 years later and wax poetic about how bad it was for Farley.
Do people like Spade hate the Matt Foley character? Because Farley's weight had a lot to do with why that was funny too, and he was always being the "fat guy that crashed into things" in that one too. Yet Spade couldn't contain his laughter during some of those skits. Because they were legit hilarious.
Farley was a special talent, for sure. And it's cool to see just how revered he was by his peers. I even understand why some of them aren't huge fans of that Chippendale skit. But I wonder if they felt the same about it back then, when they were all riding the wave of success from SNL (which was greatly due to Farley at the time). It's easy to sit back 25/30 years later and wax poetic about how bad it was for Farley.
Posted on 8/3/22 at 8:33 am to Doug_H
You obviously didn’t watch it. He explains clearly how he didn’t like that this was his big breakthrough skit and that’s how everyone saw him from then on. He said it would have been ok later on but not the first big one everyone remembered him by. He says this because of how talented he said Farley was. Nothing woke about this interview, just a guy who is missing his old friend.
Posted on 8/3/22 at 8:46 am to Jack Ruby
Boo fricking Hoo. What fat comedian never used his weight as a gag? Louie Anderson, Gabriel Iglesias, Ralphie May, etc. Comedians all make fun of themselves. Some are also helpless drug addicts. Comedians can be troubled just like other entertainers like musicians and actors. Did Greg Geraldo or Mitch Hedberg od because they were fat? This is just a misguided theory concocted by friends who feel guilt over not doing more to help. Condemning a great skit might make them feel better but it makes no real sense.
Posted on 8/3/22 at 8:53 am to LSUbacchus
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You obviously didn’t watch it. He explains clearly how he didn’t like that this was his big breakthrough skit and that’s how everyone saw him from then on. He said it would have been ok later on but not the first big one everyone remembered him by. He says this because of how talented he said Farley was. Nothing woke about this interview, just a guy who is missing his old friend.
Yeah, and across the board, all of Farley’s friends have similar feelings about the sketch regardless of their political views. This isn’t new information.
Here’s Artie Lange with a tragic yet funny Farley story where Norm tells Artie (of all people) to babysit Farley when he hosted SNL to make sure he didn’t take any drugs: YouTube
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