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re: Black Panther Wakanda Forever is available on Disney+

Posted on 2/5/23 at 3:50 pm to
Posted by Grim
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Posted on 2/5/23 at 3:50 pm to
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The Disney wokeness basically killed any good feelings I have for it.


Posted by hawgfaninc
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Posted on 2/5/23 at 4:16 pm to
Is Disney not woke?

Have they not pushed their agenda?
Posted by nicholastiger
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Posted on 2/5/23 at 4:21 pm to
When did the entire mcu become all women?
And then all the young avengers are all women
The Chadwick Boseman tributes at beginning and end were very good
This post was edited on 2/5/23 at 8:31 pm
Posted by hawgfaninc
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Posted on 2/5/23 at 4:36 pm to
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 2/5/23 at 7:35 pm to
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Wasn't the real version of that ball-through-the-side-hoop game we see the kids in Namor's kingdom playing the one that resulted with the beheading of the losing team?


Unlikely. The game was very common and very popular. It would have been rough to sustain over the time the game was popular. Best modern scholarship says this legend arose because it is likely that captives might have been executed/sacrificed during intermission or something and that was included in some ballcourt artwork.

What is interesting about the Aztecs is that they were such assholes, their neighbors generally lined up to help the Spanish destroy them, despite their being strange looking aliens who just came ashore.
Posted by Grim
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Posted on 2/5/23 at 8:24 pm to
Believe it or not, most children don't share your bigoted thoughts
Posted by QJenk
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Posted on 2/5/23 at 10:06 pm to
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-I guess they’re trying to hit us with a cliffhanger, but Shiri just didn’t get the calendar invite to her coronation ceremony lol? So dumb


I think that was showing that Shirin doesn't really care about the throne. Remember the Mbaku line from the 1st movie. "Your technology is left in the hands of a teenager who scoffs at tradition".

Mbaku will take over as the new King of Wakanda. However, I'm not sure if that means Shuri is giving up her powers. Or if we will have 2 Black Panthers running around. Mbaku may be itching to get his hands on the herb after Namor punched him out of commission with a single punch
Posted by Centinel
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Posted on 2/5/23 at 10:08 pm to
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Believe it or not, most children don't share your bigoted thoughts


Pretty funny coming from a board bigot.
Posted by hawgfaninc
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Posted on 2/5/23 at 11:40 pm to
That did seem like projection.
Posted by floyd of pink
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Posted on 2/6/23 at 6:06 am to
I attempted to watch over the weekend with the wife, and I turned it off after an hour. I’ve NEVER done that with an mcu movie.
Boring. As. shite.

Marvel is dying a slow death. Should’ve ended after end game.
Posted by VoxDawg
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Posted on 2/6/23 at 9:59 am to
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Unlikely. The game was very common and very popular. It would have been rough to sustain over the time the game was popular. Best modern scholarship says this legend arose because it is likely that captives might have been executed/sacrificed during intermission or something and that was included in some ballcourt artwork.



Apologies for the Wiki link, but this one appears to be the victim of revisionist history if they're trying to soften the impact of this game.

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What is interesting about the Aztecs is that they were such assholes, their neighbors generally lined up to help the Spanish destroy them,

To be sure, the Spanish conquest of Central America was brutal and inhumane, but this is an absolutely valid point. That the barbarians from Europe saw what the Aztecs were doing and were all, "Dude, WTAF?" speaks volumes.
Posted by MorbidTheClown
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Posted on 2/6/23 at 10:00 am to
Aren't white people banned from watching?
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 2/6/23 at 10:12 am to
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Apologies for the Wiki link, but this one appears to be the victim of revisionist history if they're trying to soften the impact of this game.


Oh, it probably happened at times. And, perhaps as a result of a rigged game (the losers would have been killed/sacrificed, anyway). But the larger point (and there is even argument over whether the winners or losers were sacrificed) is that the game was so popular in Mesoamerican culture, for such a long time that it would have been impossible to sustain if the best teams/players were routinely lost.

It was either predetermined or a reasonably rare occurrence (or perhaps practiced for a relatively short period of time, being unsustainable), is what I think the modern scholarship is trying to suggest.
This post was edited on 2/6/23 at 10:13 am
Posted by nicholastiger
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Posted on 2/6/23 at 10:24 am to
first transgender to be in Ironheart Disney plus series
Posted by Fewer Kilometers
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Posted on 2/6/23 at 10:26 am to
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When did the entire mcu become all women?
With the first appearance of Captain Hyperbole.
Posted by Dr RC
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Posted on 2/6/23 at 10:34 am to
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To be sure, the Spanish conquest of Central America was brutal and inhumane, but this is an absolutely valid point. That the barbarians from Europe saw what the Aztecs were doing and were all, "Dude, WTAF?" speaks volumes.


You have to take the Spanish accounts w/a MASSIVE boulder sized piece of salt. There is little doubt that the Aztecs could be incredibly brutal (as was every nation back then) but the Spanish (again, as would pretty much every other nation then and now) massively exaggerated many of the things they claimed to have seen natives doing so that they could justify their own brutality and conquests.
Posted by 3nOut
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Posted on 2/6/23 at 10:34 am to
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To be sure, the Spanish conquest of Central America was brutal and inhumane, but this is an absolutely valid point. That the barbarians from Europe saw what the Aztecs were doing and were all, "Dude, WTAF?" speaks volumes.


i'm reading Empire of the Summer Moon, and while i think the Comanches weren't as bad as the Aztecs in a lot of regards, they were some savage MFers.

Their first interaction with American Settlers they killed and scalped some men, kidnapped women and children, killed the kids after a while, then took turns raping the women.

We didn't even have a chance to be a-hole colonizers to them.
Posted by SG_Geaux
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Posted on 2/6/23 at 10:57 am to
Movie was pretty good. Not great.

Namor was a much better character than I was expecting
Posted by VoxDawg
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Posted on 2/6/23 at 11:09 am to
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but the Spanish (again, as would pretty much every other nation then and now) massively exaggerated many of the things they claimed to have seen natives doing so that they could justify their own brutality and conquests.

True, but they didn't carve what they saw in stone like the locals did.
Posted by Doug_H
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Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 2/6/23 at 11:41 am to
Watched it yesterday for 1st time. It was mostly meh.

Pros
-Good, touching tribute to Chadwick
-Winston Duke as M'Baku is great casting, and he steals every scene he's in. Would love to see him as Black Panther going forward as the ending suggested

Pro/Con
-Namor was good on screen to me, but I did not read the comics. So if I had, I'd be pretty peeved that they re-wrote his origin as many posters are

Cons
-Shuri as Black Panther is just hilarious, that was legit punchline since the news of Chadwick's passing yet somehow Marvel/Disney with all their agenda pushing couldn't help themselves and had to turn it to crap.
-Namor to Shuri about "people who look like us"
-Riri's suit was shite. The actress seemed okay, but I'm not too thrilled about the way they are showing her character on screen just yet
-The new blue Avatar/Predator suits were shite
-How the hell did Wakanda go from a fortress so impressive that the Avengers chose there to fight Thanos and his entire army of thousands, yet they don't have shite for defense in this movie??? I understand there is no Black Panther, but still
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