re: Black mirror season 4 SPOILERS thread that NOBODY asked for

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honestly, how much difference is there REALLY between a content-filter you can monitor on your router and what the mom was doing in this episode?

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Like night and day, apples/oranges.

Internet surfing is one thing. Tuning in real time when the kid is out in the world,and censoring actual vision of natural, real thing is a whole other. It's way more intrusive, don't even know how you asked that.

It also wasn't all about the filter, one of the biggest parts of the episode was when she tuned in, real time, to a 15 year old snorting coke and fricking a guy. No one wants to see their kids doing that.

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He wasn't saying Internet Filtering = Arkangel Filtering from the kids perspective, he's saying from a parents perspective he is aware of the inappropriate things his kids are looking at online.

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If he was making that point, it's still wrong. It still wouldn't be the same. To the kid as well. Esp in this context because the system was outlawed and discontinued and banned in some countries and shouldn't have been in effect in her teen years at all.

Btw if 3 people missed that point than it was worded poorly.

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I agree but there's literally only 2 "uplifting" episodes in 4 seasons that don't end bleak. But I love the show anyway. Even knowing most likely, it's going to end on the worse possible note while watching it. It's like watching a trainwreck.

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Right, but a show like BM doesn't need to end on a good note. TZ ended on a bleak/twisty kind of note more times than not, and I can't think of many that ended on a truly positive note. One of the core values of BM seems to be showing the downfalls of technology and society's reliance upon it. So in a way, it sort of sets itself up to end on a downer/twisty kind of note. That's why the vaguely positive ones a) are so few and far between, and b) stand out.

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I understand you couldn't remove the implant, but at least destroy the tablet that is known to cause major issues.

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The doctor she went to told the mom to trash it. She just stored it bc she herself was addicted to the monitoring and tracking aspect so she couldn't give it up. Much like an addict that quits but keeps substance around in some hiding place "just in case"

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If he was making that point, it's still wrong. It still wouldn't be the same. To the kid as well. Esp in this context because the system was outlawed and discontinued and banned in some countries and shouldn't have been in effect in her teen years at all.

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its what i'm saying. digital world these days isn't that much different than where we might be in the near future (aka arkangel).

seeing an alert come up because my son tried to log into a porn site or reading a message he posted on snapchat/instagram/other social site that i would never have dreamed my kid could do (profanity, etc.) is not much different than where this story took us.

i can't believe y'all don't see the parallels here.

the only difference is arkangel allows the mom to "peek" into what the kid is into IRL as opposed to what they are posting on the web. these days the lines between those 2 things has begun to blur.

i wont lie; i installer a keylogger on my ex's computer when she flipped out and we were going through a divorce. only because she was too stupid to know i had done that was i able to practically follow her in REAL TIME and that led to my gaining custody of my kids and a slam dunk in court.

was it wrong? hard to say. she admitted online she was going to lie and accuse me of things i hadn't done..and when she did that in court the trap was sprung.

had i not done it..my life today would be dramatically different.

it was my 'arkangel' moment.


eta and for those who don't have kids or have never done any site/content monitoring, its not for the faint of heart. its not fun, especially when you don't want to see what you're likely to find.

that scene where the mom logs into the tablet and finds her girl fricking that dude resonated with me. while not that bad, my ex 'butt dialed' me a 3am while having sex with a dude she picked up in a bar..and my phone was off. i turned it on the next day at the zoo where i was throwing my 4yo daughter a brithday party because i hadn't heard from her (this was years ago) and found a 30 minute drunk/sex message instead. my wife had already 'checked out' on me and the kids and would disappear for days at a time.

the surreal feeling while i'm listening to this message in front of 10 of our friends standing around with ballons at the zoo and my precious little girl running around is a moment i'll remember the rest of my life. i went home and drank half a bottle of liquor after i put my little girl to bed. my ex didn't show until the next day.

so yes, arkangel was a great episode because this was the first thing i thought of when that scene happened.

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i can't believe y'all don't see the parallels here.

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the parallels are obvious

I guess I took your comment to be more about the filtering option, which isn't even remotely comparable to filtering internet content IMO

I understand after the clarification

and I definitely understand the "hitting close to home" aspect as well, as I have a 4 year old daughter, and the idea of being able to know her location and vitals is appealing

but the monitoring and filtering options is something that I would never want access to, especially the monitoring, because I know the temptation would be too strong at times, especially as she aged

Makes more sense when you put it like that.

But the tech was banned an discontinued by the time she was a teen.

Your memory is stored in your brain, not your DNA. A clone based on DNA only should not have any of the original host memories.

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Nanette has all of the proof to show authorities just incase Robert was actually able to wake up. The aspect of explaining to coworkers and the police that you stole someones DNA for a sealed off verision of a video game would be pretty interesting to hear.

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I know that some laws were brought up in the season re: digital copies of people (they mentioned the monkey was illegal because it only had two available choices), but he may not have been doing anything illegal.