Binge watched Star Wars Clone Wars, Rebels, and episodes 2&3 for the first time

My kids just started clone wars again for the 4th time tonight - lol

We watched episode 1 yesterday - they might’ve watched 2 while I was cooking

The final four episodes are basically a movie.

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The big frick up in Star Wars history was George Lucas ever making Anakin a whiny brat in the first place. We were supposed to think Anakin was as great a Jedi Knight there ever was and in all the movies he’s a little a-hole. Cant fathom why they did that. It left shows like clone wars etc doing the work George should have done in prequels

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Nailed it! The Darth Vader we see in ep. 4 5 and 6 is infinity more likable than Anakin in any of the prequels. He’s a tragic character that you are told was once this incredible warrior before he succumbed to the dark side. Lucas should have built Anakin into a beloved character in the prequels. Instead he’s just a whiney bitch who constantly complains that other Jedis are jealous of his abilities or he’s so arrogant that he constantly reminds people that he’s going to be the most powerful Jedi ever. Hell, if you just go by the prequels, he’s untrainable. What was the Jedi counsel thinking sending someone of his abilities and flawed temperament to spy on Palpatine? You’d think someone on the counsel would recognize the incredible dangers of a Jedi with incredible abilities and anger issues.

In my opinion their failure with Anakin was in the "whiny" part, not the "a-hole" part. In fact I didn't feel like they made Anakin enough of an a-hole. I've said it before and I'll say it again - Anakin should have been a character in the same mold as Dacre Montgomery's Billy from Stranger Things. He should have been a bold, cocky, arrogant son of a bitch who was stronger and more capable than everyone else and who knew he was stronger and more capable than everyone else and who could fix all the problems in the galaxy if everyone else would just get the hell out of his way with all their "rules" and "traditions" and shite. The main contrast between Anakin's character arc in the prequels and Luke's in the OT should have been that while they were both too old to begin Jedi training, Luke was humble enough to let go of everything he had learned on his own and let Yoda re-teach him things he thought he already knew, while Anakin was far too sure of himself to ever do that. Anakin's turn to the Sith should not have been because of some bad dream or any such foolishness, it should have been because Palpatine played into Anakin's weaknesses by more or less telling him, "Hey, the feelings you have are right. You are, truly, the Chosen One. You and you alone can solve all of these seemingly insurmountable problems, but only by overpowering those who can't see that you are the galaxy's only hope and forcing them to get out of your way. It's for their own good, after all." The tragedy at the end would be when Anakin finally achieved what he wanted, finally proved how much stronger he was than everyone else, he finds that instead of fixing everything and making everyone happy, he has instead destroyed the Jedi Order, killed or alienated the only friends he had ever had, helped bring down the Senate and the Republic, and killed the only person he had ever truly loved, along with the unborn children of theirs she was carrying (or so he thought). That would make the Darth Vader we see in the OT a much more sympathetic character - even despite all the harm he has done, he is still following the same empty dream of solving the galaxy's problems through strength and power, because although deep down he knows he made the wrong choice, he is far too arrogant and self-assured to admit that to himself.

Edited to clarify the last sentence.

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Order 66 is also ridiculous. The entire clone army turns on the Jedi when someone outside the chain of command pops up and gives the order?? That’s absurd. That means anyone could give that order...Also going back to ep. 4 Obi Wan says Vader(Anakin) hunted down and killed the Jedi, but that never happened. The clones killed the Jedi.

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Did you watch the clone wars?



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Order 66 was implanted into the clones' brains as fetuses. They explain how one of the clone's implants prematurely activates and when a jedi, clone and robot figure it out they are silenced for it.

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Order 66 is also ridiculous. The entire clone army turns on the Jedi when someone outside the chain of command pops up and gives the order?? That’s absurd. That means anyone could give that order

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The Clone Wars deals with this specifically. An inhibitor chip was implanted in the brains of all clones when they were in the fetal stage. There are a few episodes in season 6 I believe that deal with one of the clones having his chip activate without being given the order. Palpatine and Dooku try to deal with the situation, while another clone ("Fives") realizes there is a conspiracy when it comes to these chips and he tries to expose it.

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Also going back to ep. 4 Obi Wan says Vader(Anakin) hunted down and killed the Jedi, but that never happened. The clones killed the Jedi. Anakin didn’t hunt anyone down. He simply strolled into the Jedi temple and murdered a bunch of kids.

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Not all Jedi died in Order 66. There were 10,000+ Jedi living at the time of Order 66 according to Rebels. After Order 66, it was Darth Vader's job to hunt down remaining Jedi, as he was basically the Emperor's fist. In Rebels he uses the Inquisitorius to hunt them down. **SPOILER** When Kanaan is captured in Rebels, he is about to be taken to Mustafar which he had called "the place Jedi go to die." That is where Darth Vader's palace was, and where he tortured and killed Jedi he or the Inquisitors captured.

Also, Episode 3 failed to really show it, but I think Anakin/Vader killed a lot more Jedi in the Temple during Order 66 than the movie shows. We get a hint of it when Obi-Wan looks at the security recordings when he and Yoda return to the Temple.

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Did you watch the clone wars?

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I did and you’re right, it does deal with it specifically. I guess the point I was trying to make was that TCW had to deal with it because the way the movie dealt with it was ridiculous. The animated series had to go back and fix the messes that the prequels made.. I’d also argue that there wasn’t much they could do to solve the issue in the clone wars though. Throughout the entire series, the troopers had their own individual personalities and names, but essentially had to be turned into mindless clones at the end who blindly followed order 66 because of the way TRoS ended.

Speaking of Ashoka, don’t forget the scene where Ezra has changed her fate and they are both racing to escape Sidious. He tells her to come find him when she gets out. At the end of Rebels both she and Sabine are setting off to find him. When we see her again, it’s in the Mandalorian and she’s alone. Surely she didn’t give up and quit looking, so I’m thinking that potentially opens the door to revealing that they did eventually find Ezra.

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When we see her again, it’s in the Mandalorian and she’s alone. Surely she didn’t give up and quit looking,

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Remember in Mando she is looking for Thrawn. If she finds Thrawn, she likely finds Ezra.

The question is... do the events in Mando take place before the epilogue of Rebels? The answer is uncertain. Dave Filoni has been cagey answering that question. He has said it is possible the events of Mando take place before the epilogue in Rebels but would only say it is "possible".

Personally, and I really have no idea, I think we will find out that the events of Mando took place just before Ahsoka meets up with Sabine at the end of Rebels.

I just hope I get to work on the upcoming Ahsoka show. Easily my favorite character since the OT.