re: Best part of the Office is when James Bond figures out Jim is a lazy shite slacker in 5 min

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When Michael announces there's been a murder and Creed flees the scene

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My favorite Creed moment is when he instinctively takes Dwight’s gun before Toby walks in

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Meanwhile she was deciding whether to seize the nearest camera man.

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Wholeheartedly agree Pam is a scumbag too.

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those midseasons around Charles Minor and Robert California the writers didn't know what to do with Jim and Pam as the starcrossed lovers that finally ended up together. in a group of people where they, Oscar, and Toby are the only normal ones, there wasn't much more to do then make them kinda a-holes. i.e. Pam missing Michael's last day, Jim skipping work after getting dismissed from Jury Duty, etc.

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Charles Minor was a great period for the show.

But yeah after Michael left, the hole was too big for the writers to fill. Jim and Pam were helpful for the audience to have someone to relate to, but they are not what drove the show. The final few episodes are decent, but on the whole the show never found what it wanted to be without Michael.

Personally I think they should have committed to Dwight being boss for the remainder, because he’s just as much of a mess as Michael, and nearly as funny.

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I think that’s a good measure of his character. He’s got an apathy that a young person idolizes. But that “too-cool-for-school” attitude eventually gets super annoying and makes him seem self-important.

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This is what always annoyed me about Jim. Every office has one of them. He never realizes his full potential in a career, but instead of taking steps to better himself, he just resents his situation and everyone around him. He’s surrounded by decent, salt of the earth people, but he’s constantly complaining about them and looking for reasons to not hang out or form any meaningful relationships, all the while also hating the rut that he has carved out for himself.

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this is a huge gripe of mine. If you watch the earlier seasons, everyone was relatively normal save for Michael and Dwight. It made the whole environment that much more realistic and the litany of straight men worked as a more vivid foil to Michael and Dwight’s characters. I think it wasn’t the initial intention of the writers that once they continued on from the end of the British Office, they were to Flanderize all of the secondary characters. I do understand that the show wouldn’t have run as long without adding in the zany quirks to Kevin, Kelly, Angela, etc, but maybe that would’ve been ok...

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But I think this is what actually made the show work because it mirrors a real-life office experience. When you start to work in an office, everyone seems normal and straight-laced; however, as you get to know them you realize everyone has zany quirks. I have never once worked in an office where anyone is "normal," once gotten to know with enough time.

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If you watch the earlier seasons, everyone was relatively normal save for Michael and Dwight. It made the whole environment that much more realistic and the litany of straight men worked as a more vivid foil to Michael and Dwight’s characters. I think it wasn’t the initial intention of the writers that once they continued on from the end of the British Office, they were to Flanderize all of the secondary characters. I do understand that the show wouldn’t have run as long without adding in the zany quirks to Kevin, Kelly, Angela, etc, but maybe that would’ve been ok...

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maybe it's the recency bias of having watched some of the later seasons more recently, but while it's painfully obvious that the supporting staff is supposed to be caricatures of certain personalities, everybody in that cast would have been fired by season 3 in a real world situation except Toby, Phyllis, and Oscar.

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then she flirted with an affair with the camera

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Far and away the worst story arc in the entire show.

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If you watch the earlier seasons, everyone was relatively normal save for Michael and Dwight.

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In season 1, Kevin is just a boring accountant who can unexpectedly sink 3’s. By the end of the show they have an entire episode about how, if you just met him, you would think he’s actually retarded.

They went full on caricature of everyone. But Kevin kinda got fricked the worst. He was always an idiot, but not literally stupid. And he was sharp in some ways (like winning a WSOP bracelet, for example). Hell, one of the best storylines to me was when Holly started and Dwight made her think Kevin was retarded, and it made sense. But eventually they made him actually stupid, which was a shame.

I know most people love Creed but I think he’s one of the worst characters on the show. He’s just too over the top unbelievable that he would earn and keep that job. Sure, he was good for some funny lines here and there. But then they made him a cult leader, thief, murderer, etc. good for a few laughs, but completely unbelievable.

But even still, most characters are great given the limited screen time they had. And whenever they were given more screen time, it suffered. The “Did I Stutter?” episode, for example. Stanley is good in small doses. But when you give him too many lines the character suffers. That’s what happened to Andy and why he became so hate-able. He was great as a supporting character, but after The Hangover, they forced him into a major role, snd the character (and more importantly, the show) suffered because of that.

Still one of the GOAT shows though. I watch it at some point almost daily.