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re: Battle of the Bastards is one of the worst executed battle scenes in history
Posted on 1/9/25 at 9:08 am to grizzlylongcut
Posted on 1/9/25 at 9:08 am to grizzlylongcut
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I mean, I don’t disagree here. But the show runners made her out to be the hero.
Which was important if she was to ever be taken seriously enough to rule the North.
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Posted on 1/9/25 at 9:12 am to Mickey Goldmill
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Did she? She sent a raven to the Vale asking for help, but did she know for certain they were on their way?
She told Jon she knew.
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Also for the sake of argument, say the Knights of the Vale show up before the battle. What do you think Ramsey Bolton does in response? He retreats back into the castle and waits them out to die in the cold.
So you are ok planning a battle, yet not having crucial info that could help with said battle, and needlessly send men to die because the info was with held? And what dealings has Jon had with Littlefinger? If memory serves me, I don't know if they even met.
Posted on 1/9/25 at 9:24 am to LSUPERMAN
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So you are ok planning a battle, yet not having crucial info that could help with said battle, and needlessly send men to die because the info was with held?
Sansa used them as bait to draw out Ramsey. Rob did something similar earlier in the show when he sent a small force against Tywin to distract him.
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And what dealings has Jon had with Littlefinger? If memory serves me, I don't know if they even met.
Sansa had already told Jon everything that had happened to her which included Littlefinger selling her to the Boltons.
Posted on 1/9/25 at 9:26 am to Mickey Goldmill
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Showed up with them?
Yes, she showed up on the battlefield with them.
Posted on 1/9/25 at 9:29 am to RollTide1987
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However, from a real world tactical stand point, Jon Snow might be the worst battlefield commander in the history of Westeros.
The show specifically stated at several points during the run that most of the people running things everywhere in the 7 kingdoms had no battlefield commander experience.
Most of the people with experience like that or natural talent for it were killed off by then. Everyone left were just brawlers and trickster types.
Posted on 1/9/25 at 9:35 am to Mickey Goldmill
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Which was important if she was to ever be taken seriously enough to rule the North.
This is a dumb reason to potentially have your northern army wiped out
Posted on 1/9/25 at 9:39 am to Mickey Goldmill
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Sansa used them as bait to draw out Ramsey. Rob did something similar earlier in the show when he sent a small force against Tywin to distract him.
So only Sansa could think like that? Jon couldn't plan the exact same scenario?
If Jon knew he had the army of the Vale, he, too, could have drawn out Ramsey's army and had them flank them. Posted on 1/9/25 at 9:44 am to Mickey Goldmill
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Which was important if she was to ever be taken seriously enough to rule the North.
Which by holding back crucial info proved she could not be. This is not hard to understand.
Posted on 1/9/25 at 9:54 am to LSUPERMAN
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So only Sansa could think like that? Jon couldn't plan the exact same scenario? If Jon knew he had the army of the Vale, he, too, could have drawn out Ramsey's army and had them flank them.
Like I already said, Jon was unlikely to put the battle on hold based on nothing more than Little Finger's word. Neither Sansa or Jon had any reason to trust him. That would also explain why Sansa doesn't mention it - she doesn't know for sure he's coming. She's already not being taken seriously by Jon when they are discussing battle plans. She pleaded with him to wait for more men. She figures Jon is going to fall into a trap by Ramsey as she specifically warned him against doing that (which is proven true as soon as Rickon is killed).
So if she truly believes Little Finger was coming to help, she doesn't want Jon screwing everything up and giving away the element of surprise after drawing out the Bolton army.
ETA: I just went back and watched the first scene of them together after the battle. Jon asked if she trusted Baelish. Sansa says only a fool would trust him. She then apologized to Jon for not telling him about the Knights of the Vale. Jon responds that they need to trust each other with them having so many enemies now. This of course implies that Sansa didn't trust Jon with the information about the Knights potentially coming to the rescue. Also, her comment about not trusting Little Finger also casts doubt that she was certain they would come to help.
This post was edited on 1/9/25 at 10:20 am
Posted on 1/9/25 at 10:10 am to Green Chili Tiger
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I'm surprised you made it past the episode where the girl (girl power!) emerged, unscathed, from a massive funeral pyre nursing 3 baby dragons. Did you just let that one slide because she was naked?
Its so funny watching people like him discuss the show now. Game of thrones wasn't some girl power show. Hell caitlin is pretty much responsible for most of the bad things that happened to the starks. Lysa was an idiot as well.
The recent hyper focus on gender and how every character being portrayed is because of an agenda based on gender or sexuality has to end someday right?
Posted on 1/9/25 at 10:17 am to Corinthians420
quote:You mean Dany getting sold to a horse lord and Sansa getting sold to 2 separate sadists doesn’t equal muh, girl power?!?
Its so funny watching people like him discuss the show now. Game of thrones wasn't some girl power show.
Posted on 1/9/25 at 10:18 am to grizzlylongcut
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Again, all in the name of girl power.
Posted on 1/9/25 at 10:23 am to Corinthians420
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Game of thrones wasn't some girl power show
The irony is almost every leader of the kingdoms was a woman. The baddest swordsman was a woman. The baddest assassin was a woman. But they where all horrible to some degree. They had faults and I think the show showed that. So in that essence it was not girl power. Actually, I would argue the opposite. They were a fricking disaster for the most part.
Posted on 1/9/25 at 10:33 am to LSUPERMAN
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The baddest swordsman was a woman.
Ive never seen a chick listed in the greatest swordsman tournament posts? Brienne was a good knight but far from the best swordsman
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The irony is almost every leader of the kingdoms was a woman
Lysa is the only one until cersei. That's 1 or 2 out of 7 kingdoms, and cersei didn't rule long
This post was edited on 1/9/25 at 10:36 am
Posted on 1/9/25 at 10:34 am to Corinthians420
Mainly because she beat the Hound and held her own against Jaime, who was considered as one of the best so I think we can lump her into that.
Posted on 1/9/25 at 10:36 am to grizzlylongcut
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I’m upset that they purposefully had the male character do something stupid
Jon didn’t exactly seem the sharpest tool in the shed. Possibly because Kit Harrington doesn’t either, but I could see his character forgetting himself in that situation
Posted on 1/9/25 at 10:36 am to LSUPERMAN
That was after jamie lost his sword hand, doesn't count.
Posted on 1/9/25 at 10:37 am to Corinthians420
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That was after jamie lost his sword hand, doesn't count.
Negative. This was before they were both captured. Now Jaime was tied and tired.
This post was edited on 1/9/25 at 10:40 am
Posted on 1/9/25 at 10:40 am to LSUPERMAN
How was he hobbled? I remember it not being a fair fight? Was he just malnourished or still in chains?
Posted on 1/9/25 at 10:43 am to LSUPERMAN
Yeah she's good but he wouldve taken her if not for her having armor and being weakened from being a prisoner. No way was she the best swordsman.
Still a well choreographed scene
Still a well choreographed scene
This post was edited on 1/9/25 at 10:44 am
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