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re: Band of Brothers
Posted on 6/1/23 at 2:15 pm to TygerTyger
Posted on 6/1/23 at 2:15 pm to TygerTyger
quote:It is very good. You should watch. It is not to the level of BoB, but what is?
I've never watched the Pacific series, but heard it wasn't as good. What say the M/TV board?
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Posted on 6/1/23 at 2:19 pm to TygerTyger
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I've never watched the Pacific series, but heard it wasn't as good. What say the M/TV board?
The Pacific was ok, no where close to BoB. Part of that had to do with the disjointed nature of the Pacific theater. It forced the writers to follow multiple stories instead of one cohesive story like in BoB.
My favorite scene is when Sledgehammer is applying for College and has a conversation with the girl who is interviewing him.
Posted on 6/1/23 at 2:24 pm to Locoguan0
quote:Maybe so, but Webster’s book would never have been made into an award winning miniseries. Nor would it ever have been read by as many people as have read (and are continuing to read) Band Of Brothers.
Webster's book is probably the most accurate source, which is why Ambrose plagiarized the shite out of it.
And Ambrose is long dead and buried. Whatever the facts and reasons respecting his personal and professional conduct, they’ve been thoroughly addressed, discussed, and debated. Neither of us can add anything of real significance to the topic.
We can also give Ambrose some credit for The D-Day Museum and Saving Private Ryan despite his struggles and shortcomings.
Throwing shade on a dead man isn’t necessary.
Posted on 6/3/23 at 9:41 am to Mr. Misanthrope
Episode 5 with Winters in Paris after they slaughtered that German platoon is tough every time.
Posted on 6/4/23 at 10:30 am to STLhog
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Episode 5 with Winters in Paris after they slaughtered that German platoon is tough every time.
It is. There are a few of those that are sort of quiet, understated, and heart rending.
The one you noted and one another poster mentioned come to mind.
Their scene took place after taking Foy(?) and the company was seated in a convent chapel sung to by a choir of pretty girls. While a narrator, Winters I think, recalled their history, the camera panned over the company and as it did troopers no longer with them slowly faded out of view leaving only the few remaining survivors. Tough to watch.
For me when the German general asked permission to address his troops and Leibgott translated for Winters and Mixon was memorable.
The bond created between infantrymen by hardship, suffering, and death crossed the front lines in that scene. It was remarkably well executed.
Posted on 6/4/23 at 7:00 pm to sicboy
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Sobel wasn't a combat commander, for sure, but all of Easy credit their time under his command for making them the soldiers they were.
The book makes this very clear. He was a bastard that they hated. And he would’ve gotten them all killed had they let him take them into combat.
But as a trainer, there was none better.
I’ve got to be honest. I’ve read a lot about Dick Winters. If there’s a leader I hope to emulate, it’s him. Lead from the front.
The episode where Speirs runs through the German lines to link up and then comes back is so awesome. Every account of it is exactly the same. It’s exactly what he did. I think Lipton in the book talks about the Germans being so shocked that they didn’t shoot at him.
This post was edited on 6/4/23 at 7:03 pm
Posted on 6/4/23 at 7:15 pm to Locoguan0
quote:I loved the BoB book and the show too, but ever since the stuff came out about Ambrose just completely lying about his interactions with Eisenhower, I've been much more careful letting myself get sucked in.
Webster's book is probably the most accurate source, which is why Ambrose plagiarized the shite out of it.
IMO, BoB is basically hagiography, which I hate.
A whole thread, and no mention of Medic Eugene Roe? I love when, on the interviews, they say stuff like "I'm just not sure how he did it or how he survived, but I would frequently look up in some of the worst firefights we ever engaged, and there would be Eugene Roe - with his back to the enemy guns - tending to our boys".
One of my favorite intro interviews is with the guy who said "still on a cold winter night in bed, I'll tell my wife - it's better than Bastogne!"
Re The Pacific - I thought it was great as well. (However - DO NOT read the book; it was done by Ambrose's son and he doesn't have "it") There's certainly less hagiography. And I liked how they showed the impact on Sledge after he got back.
The banzai attack in the dark...sheesh.
Posted on 6/4/23 at 8:29 pm to elprez00
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This post was edited on 6/4/23 at 8:36 pm
Posted on 6/4/23 at 8:29 pm to elprez00
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The episode where Speirs runs through the German lines to link up and then comes back is so awesome. Every account of it is exactly the same. It’s exactly what he did. I think Lipton in the book talks about the Germans being so shocked that they didn’t shoot at him.
Speirs’ heroics/bravery are explained by his discussion with Blithe in Episode 3, Blithe is in his foxhole outside of Carentan:
Pvt. Albert Blithe : Lieutenant... sir, when I landed on D-Day, I found myself in a ditch all by myself. I fell asleep. I think it was, it was... airsickness pills they gave us. When I woke up, I didn't really... try to find my unit... to fight. I just... I just kinda stayed put.
[Speirs silently regards him for a moment]
Capt. Ronald Speirs : What's your name, trooper?
Pvt. Albert Blithe : I'm Blithe, sir. Albert Blithe.
Capt. Ronald Speirs : You know why you hid in that ditch, Blithe?
Pvt. Albert Blithe : [quietly] I was scared.
Capt. Ronald Speirs : We're all scared. You hid in that ditch because you think there's still hope. But Blithe, the only hope you have is to accept the fact that you're already dead. And the sooner you accept that, the sooner you'll be able to function as a soldier's supposed to function. Without mercy, without compassion, without remorse. All war depends upon it.
Great scene and explanation of Speirs’ mindset during the war.
This post was edited on 6/4/23 at 9:44 pm
Posted on 6/19/23 at 10:20 pm to TygerTyger
I'm not sure how many times I've watched this. It's a bunch.
Bumping this thread to ask: could this series be made today? Who would they cast? Can you imagine a series portraying heroic white men almost exclusively?
It was released 22 years ago. And it's damn near perfect.
How would it be changed for today? Would it be made at all?
Bumping this thread to ask: could this series be made today? Who would they cast? Can you imagine a series portraying heroic white men almost exclusively?
It was released 22 years ago. And it's damn near perfect.
How would it be changed for today? Would it be made at all?
Posted on 6/19/23 at 11:09 pm to Fun Bunch
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Why We Fight makes me cry every time.
Very hard for me to watch this episode. I certainly can’t do it close to bedtime and expect to sleep.
When I do watch I always think to myself “it’s kind of amazing there is still a Germany today and people called Germans.” The restraint displayed is really something.
Posted on 6/20/23 at 8:25 am to ned nederlander
Had a random thought that I’ve always wondered about.
When they’re training in England and Sobel clips the fence, Winters captures the objective.
Was the Brit on the bike the actual objective or was he just joking when he said “you’ve got me yanks.”
When they’re training in England and Sobel clips the fence, Winters captures the objective.
Was the Brit on the bike the actual objective or was he just joking when he said “you’ve got me yanks.”
Posted on 6/20/23 at 8:29 am to STLhog
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Was the Brit on the bike the actual objective or was he just joking when he said “you’ve got me yanks.”
I think he was just joking. I think the point was to just capture that intersection/practice maneuvers.
Posted on 6/20/23 at 9:48 am to Grievous Angel
quote:The recent spate of WWI films has me thinking yes.
could this series be made today? Who would they cast? Can you imagine a series portraying heroic white men almost exclusively?
Posted on 6/20/23 at 9:52 am to GolfIsGood
quote:
One of my favorite intro interviews is with the guy who said "still on a cold winter night in bed, I'll tell my wife - it's better than Bastogne!"
quote:
Capt. Ronald Speirs : We're all scared. You hid in that ditch because you think there's still hope. But Blithe, the only hope you have is to accept the fact that you're already dead. And the sooner you accept that, the sooner you'll be able to function as a soldier's supposed to function. Without mercy, without compassion, without remorse. All war depends upon it.
definitely two of my favorite lines of the show(even though one wasn't technically a line.)
Posted on 6/20/23 at 1:29 pm to Funky Tide 8
For people asking about the pacific, it is also a wonderful show, and I’m not sure anyone can top what the US marines were asked to do in the pacific. Definitely worth a watch and I’d like to read Sledge’s book at some point.
As a matter of pure tv entertainment, it’s not nearly as good to me as band of brothers. At a certain point, every “chapter” in the story begins to repeat itself:
1. land on an island,
2. endure hell and hold on,
3. Survey the now destroyed island,
4. Move in to next island.
The story of easy company is just so fascinatingly diverse in what they saw and what they were asked to do. It’s just an incredible, made for TV story.
As a matter of pure tv entertainment, it’s not nearly as good to me as band of brothers. At a certain point, every “chapter” in the story begins to repeat itself:
1. land on an island,
2. endure hell and hold on,
3. Survey the now destroyed island,
4. Move in to next island.
The story of easy company is just so fascinatingly diverse in what they saw and what they were asked to do. It’s just an incredible, made for TV story.
Posted on 6/20/23 at 3:00 pm to TigerDeacon
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That's the point. Through no fault of his own he is viewed as late comer/outsider to the men. He can't help when he was born. He just wanted to get into a war he had been looking toward for years.
He was not discharged after the war, remained in Germany and was killed after his bicycle was hit by a car in 1947. Never made it back to the US
Posted on 6/20/23 at 3:30 pm to STLhog
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Was the Brit on the bike the actual objective or was he just joking when he said “you’ve got me yanks.”
He was joking. He was not the objective, just an old dude out for a ride who wandered in to maneuvers.
Posted on 6/20/23 at 5:32 pm to TigerDeacon
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That's why I think casting him, being Tom Hank's son, was actually inspired. People view that as nepotism which it was so as a viewer you already view the him with circumspect.
I heard Colin Hanks on Rich Eisen’s podcast a few weeks ago talking about this.
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