re: ‘Awful’ Things Will Happen in ‘The Avengers 2'

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I understand your argument. I'm saying it's wrong

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I have no problem with that. Your short responses just didn't support your opinion very well.

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I do understand. But they will reboot. Just like the did with the X-Men. You NEED to kill major characters because, well, actors grow out of the role and don't want to do it anymore. Killing a character in this film will literally have no impact on the possibility of a future stand alone film with that character. The movie going audience is already conditioned to expect reboots. Marvel Studios HAS killed major characters (Cyclops and Jean Grey in the X-Men films) and will again. There's an easy work around.

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You are basing all of this off of them rebooting which we haven't seen a shred of evidence that they're doing anytime soon. I'm not saying they won't or that rebooting isn't a good idea but my opinion is based on the current status quo and their "Phase 1, 2, 3..." method of releasing films. If something changes and a studio head or Whedon indicate that rebooting is where they're heading so soon, then for me the discussion changes.

Cyclops/Jean Grey isn't really a good comparison anyway as neither had their own films. Now if X3 had killed off Wolverine, that'd be a different story.

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So, we have a writer/director who has a history of killing major characters, we have a studio that has shown it will do the same (particularly when contracts are concerned with the actors), and a story adapted from a medium in which major characters are routinely killed. Yeah, I think the idea they won't kill a major character is wrong.

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I agree about Whedon's willingness to off popular characters but Marvel Studios has not done this yet. Saying it could easily happen in the film universe because it routinely happens in the comic book one is absurd. You're comparing apples and oranges. The difference in audience, expected revenue/cost , formatting of story, etc.. are evidence of this.

So another peripheral character will die, great.

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They can replace RDJ's Tony Stark with Don Cheadle as Rhodey. Cheadle's obviously no RDJ, but there's history for Rhodey replacing Tony Stark as Iron Man in various forms over the years.

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You think Cheadle/Rhodey can carry an entire Iron Man film on his own? While I would be there on opening day, I have to disagree that it would make even half of what an RDJ IM film will make and I seriously doubt Marvel will make that gamble.

If Marvel wants to reboot, it would make sense to aim for post Avengers 3. They shouldn't have any trouble throwing a truckload of money at RDJ to put out an IM4 and Avengers 3 in order to properly close it all out.

It's also not out of the realm of possibility for Stark to fake his death and come back.

There's at least one major storyline where Stark apparently died of a central nervous system failure and was replaced by Rhodey, only for Rhodey to find out some months later that Stark was hidden away so that his body could recover.

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IMO, if they kill someone, it'll be Iron Man.

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Agree with this. RDJ will probably want to give it up after playing Stark for the 5th time, plus it creates room for existing characters to grow. Don't forget that they are bring Ant-Man into all this, and I've also heard rumors of a Black Panther movie.

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It's also not out of the realm of possibility for Stark to fake his death and come back. There's at least one major storyline where Stark apparently died of a central nervous system failure and was replaced by Rhodey, only for Rhodey to find out some months later that Stark was hidden away so that his body could recover.

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So you're talking him returning in IM4? I'm not against a Rhodey as IM story at all. I'm just being realistic about that happening in the movie universe. Rhodey doesn't even appear in the Avengers and I haven't read mention of him being in Avengers 2.

If they do give Rhodey a solid, badass role to play in Avengers 2, I could see Marvel taking that momentum and having him head up IM4. Its hard to imagine that Marvel will let RDJ loose until they start completely over though.

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Captain America dies in the comics, maybe he does here as well?

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Yeah, but Bucky becomes the new Cap, and they killed him off in the First Avenger.


I think they eventually resurrect Steve. Not that that has any bearing here.

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So you're talking him returning in IM4? I'm not against a Rhodey as IM story at all. I'm just being realistic about that happening in the movie universe. Rhodey doesn't even appear in the Avengers and I haven't read mention of him being in Avengers 2.

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They don't need to resurrect Iron Man. Antman fills in as the technological/science expert.

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They don't need to resurrect Iron Man. Antman fills in as the technological/science expert.

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There is no shortage of genius scientist/tech experts in the Marvel universe.

Ant Man, Iron Man, Reed Richards, Black Panther, Banner, etc. It gets a little ridiculous at times.

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There is no shortage of genius scientist/tech experts in the Marvel universe.

Ant Man, Iron Man, Reed Richards, Black Panther, Banner, etc. It gets a little ridiculous at times.

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Exactly. Now, they could continue using Rhodes as War Machine, but I just don't think it would have the same feel as Iron Man. That is if they kill him off.