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re: 'Annihilation' Tomatometer Score - 90%/ Spoiler Thread
Posted on 2/25/18 at 9:57 pm to abellsujr
Posted on 2/25/18 at 9:57 pm to abellsujr
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After about 15-30 minutes into the movie I realized I was not watching something that was supposed to be taken entirely at face value. Her and her husband get taken to top secret ground zero. She's able to just kind of hang around and meet everyone casually over some beers. Then they let her go with them on a top secret, national security mission? After that, I just started to suspend belief and enjoy the movie for the amazing visuals, well done horror elements, and for what it was trying to portray. I'm not even completely sure I know everything it was trying to portray, and I probably never will.
You nailed it. Like The Fountain, Annihalation aspires to be more of an experience. The narrative that holds The Fountain together was pretty flimsy, but Annihalation clings to its poor narrative far too earnestly and for too long with a sophomoric script that’s way too on the nose for its lofty ambitions.
I appreciated the experience of Annihalation, but as a narrative film, which it more is than isn’t, it’s a dismal failure.
Posted on 2/26/18 at 7:49 am to RLDSC FAN
Okay maybe I’m full of shite here but here it goes:
It was all a psychotic break. Only one person went into the shimmer. Each female is a version of the biologist. Her husband, he is KIA. There is no other explanation for sending an all female team.
Movie opens with her teaching a classs, looking at a cell. The cell is cervical cancer. The psychologist has cervical cancer. The tough paramedic has an infinity tattoo on her left forearm, just like the protagonist. One lady lost her daughter to leukemia, but it was the protagonist who lost a daughter. There is a kid’s bedroom that is panned over when they show her house. The physicist is scientific and attempted suicide, our protagonist again.
The lighthouse, symbolism:
Lighthouses symbolize the way forward and help in navigating our way through rough waters whether those waters be financial, personal, business or spiritual in nature.
The lighthouse is therapy. The Asian male
Doctor is the psychiatrist. The burning of the lighthouse is the end of a session where she makes a breakthrough. She is institutionalized. Hugging her clone husband, that’s the start of another psychotic break.
It was all a psychotic break. Only one person went into the shimmer. Each female is a version of the biologist. Her husband, he is KIA. There is no other explanation for sending an all female team.
Movie opens with her teaching a classs, looking at a cell. The cell is cervical cancer. The psychologist has cervical cancer. The tough paramedic has an infinity tattoo on her left forearm, just like the protagonist. One lady lost her daughter to leukemia, but it was the protagonist who lost a daughter. There is a kid’s bedroom that is panned over when they show her house. The physicist is scientific and attempted suicide, our protagonist again.
The lighthouse, symbolism:
Lighthouses symbolize the way forward and help in navigating our way through rough waters whether those waters be financial, personal, business or spiritual in nature.
The lighthouse is therapy. The Asian male
Doctor is the psychiatrist. The burning of the lighthouse is the end of a session where she makes a breakthrough. She is institutionalized. Hugging her clone husband, that’s the start of another psychotic break.
This post was edited on 2/26/18 at 7:52 am
Posted on 2/26/18 at 7:57 am to touchdownjeebus
Nice take. I haven’t seen that one yet.
Posted on 2/26/18 at 7:58 am to OMLandshark
quote:I thought Ventress said they tried that and no one came back?
but since the source of this is at a lighthouse... why didn't they just take a boat?
Posted on 2/26/18 at 8:06 am to Carson123987
Why else does she have a tattoo just like he EMT even though they just met? It’s a prism, breaking a part everything, deconstructing everything. It’s therapy of a psychotic break.
When they nab her, why don’t they leave her in her clothes? She is put into an orange jumper. Everything you see at the facility (institution) is real. The flashback scenes to her life gives you the puzzle pieces, the shimmer is the session, the scenes with the Asian is the psychiatrist walking her through it all.
The lady is crazy, brah.
When they nab her, why don’t they leave her in her clothes? She is put into an orange jumper. Everything you see at the facility (institution) is real. The flashback scenes to her life gives you the puzzle pieces, the shimmer is the session, the scenes with the Asian is the psychiatrist walking her through it all.
The lady is crazy, brah.
This post was edited on 2/26/18 at 8:10 am
Posted on 2/26/18 at 8:43 am to touchdownjeebus
She was an amalgamation of her team. We can believe her story as it was told or it could be a copy of her that inherited her penchant for lying. We saw how real Kane began to gain traits from his team (he had a southern accent in the farewell video), so real Lena could’ve absorbed traits from the others via the refraction. We saw the bruise manifest as early as the boat scene.
Could just as easily be a copy that also took traits from everyone. It’s left pretty perfectly ambiguous; lots of arguments for either side.
Given some of Garland’s comments about th movie, I don’t think it’s quite as heady as your analysis, but it’s still an awesome take nonetheless. Garland said the movie is about self destruction in various forms. The discussions about cancer and single-cell organisms were very telling in what he wants to communicate about the shimmer. Pretty horrifying how the introduction of just one organism can completely alter an ecosystem, for better and for worse. Some scary implications for humanity. And like Lena said, it may not have been a malevolent entity. It “being” is all it took for all the changes to happen.
Like shutter said, the script had its issues and isn’t as tight as Garland’s other scripts, but I’m still comfortable giving it a 4/5 because it excelled at so much. This one will stick with me for a while and I will probably go see it again. An amazing theater experience. It really is like a modern day Stalker
Could just as easily be a copy that also took traits from everyone. It’s left pretty perfectly ambiguous; lots of arguments for either side.
Given some of Garland’s comments about th movie, I don’t think it’s quite as heady as your analysis, but it’s still an awesome take nonetheless. Garland said the movie is about self destruction in various forms. The discussions about cancer and single-cell organisms were very telling in what he wants to communicate about the shimmer. Pretty horrifying how the introduction of just one organism can completely alter an ecosystem, for better and for worse. Some scary implications for humanity. And like Lena said, it may not have been a malevolent entity. It “being” is all it took for all the changes to happen.
Like shutter said, the script had its issues and isn’t as tight as Garland’s other scripts, but I’m still comfortable giving it a 4/5 because it excelled at so much. This one will stick with me for a while and I will probably go see it again. An amazing theater experience. It really is like a modern day Stalker
Posted on 2/26/18 at 9:12 am to joeyb147
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I thought Ventress said they tried that and no one came back?
Yeah, when Ventress is telling Lena about it, she says they've tried by air and sea. Now, the thing is they never knew why they didn't come back, so it's not like they should have ruled it out.
Posted on 2/26/18 at 9:21 am to Carson123987
If you watch it again, please keep my silly theory in mind. I’m sure I missed some other stuff on my first viewing. I very well may be way off, but after about 30 minutes post view, this came into focus.
Posted on 2/26/18 at 9:35 am to abellsujr
Did anyone catch what book she was reading at the beginning of the movie? I have feeling the title of the book was important and chosen for a reason but the shot moved too quickly for me to catch it.
Posted on 2/26/18 at 10:01 am to Carson123987
Also keep in mind, she had the same tattoo, child’s room, cervial cancer thing all BEFORE she entered the shimmer. While the shimmer makes everything refract, assigns traits to other things, she possessed all of these things before she “met” the other people. The shimmer Broke apart all of those traits and characteristics inside of her. She was all of them, she did not absorb all of them, but she was all of them.
This post was edited on 2/26/18 at 10:06 am
Posted on 2/26/18 at 10:06 am to BigB0882
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Did anyone catch what book she was reading at the beginning of the movie?
Immortal Life of Henrietta Lacks.
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It makes sense why Lena, of all people, would be drawn to The Immortal Life of Henrietta Lacks. Lena is a biologist, and Skloot’s book is about the story behind the HeLa cell, a human cell that has the ability to reproduce infinitely. HeLa cells have been incredibly instrumental in furthering science. As the book's prologue reads, HeLa “cells were part of research into the genes that cause cancer and those that suppress it; they helped develop drugs for treating herpes, leukemia, influenza, hemophilia, and Parkinson’s disease; and they’ve been used to study lactose digestion, sexually transmitted diseases, appendicitis, human longevity, mosquito mating, and the negative cellular effects of working in sewers.” Essentially, these are the most important cells when it comes to medicinal research.
Lena specializes in cell reproduction, so she might be especially shocked by the HeLa cell's dark history. In 1951, a woman named Henrietta Lacks went to the Johns Hopkins hospital to receive treatment for cervical cancer. Without Lacks' knowledge or consent, cells were harvested from her tumor during a biopsy. Scientists found that her cells were remarkable. Up until this point, scientists had been unable to keep cells alive on their own. Lacks’ cells, on the other hand, bred every 48 hours. They were the first immortal cells.
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Henrietta Lacks died the same year those cells were harvested, but her cells have lived on. “One scientist estimates that if you could pile all HeLa cells ever grown onto a scale, they’d weigh more than 50 million metric tons—an inconceivable number, given that an individual cell weighs almost nothing,” Skloot writes.
Despite the importance of the HeLa cell, Lacks’ family never received compensation. Skloot’s book reveals the injustices that were done against the Lacks family, and historical exploitation of Black Americans for medical research.
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But how does this discomfiting story tie into the Shimmer, Area X, and a landscape that distorts everything inside it? The key comes in the HeLa cells themselves, which are able to multiply indefinitely, even though other cells could not. HeLa represents a mystery of science on a granular level. What differentiates Lacks’ cells from all the rest?
Annihilation is asking similar questions about the nature of cells. The plants and animals in Area X are strange, because they’ve been tampered with on a cellular level. After passing through the Shimmer, an organism's cells change fundamentally. Organic beings can take new shape. Humans can be regenerated as flowers; bears can take on the voice of a human. Life continues to grow explosively, but differently than it had before.
The Immortal Life of Henrietta Lacks shows up in Lena’s hands for a very deliberate reason. The book signals that Annihilation will be a movie about life — and the components that build life up. Annihilation is a reminder that, for all our "civilization," humans can be boiled down to cells, just like the trees we cut down and the deer we hunt. Once the explorers in Annihilation lose their "humanness," their cells get whole new lives.
Posted on 2/26/18 at 10:14 am to touchdownjeebus
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Also keep in mind, she had the same tattoo
Anya had the tattoo, not Lena.
Posted on 2/26/18 at 10:18 am to Carson123987
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She was an amalgamation of her team. We can believe her story as it was told or it could be a copy of her that inherited her penchant for lying. We saw how real Kane began to gain traits from his team (he had a southern accent in the farewell video), so real Lena could’ve absorbed traits from the others via the refraction. We saw the bruise manifest as early as the boat scene.
This is my belief as well. Like the bear, Lena has absorbed parts of everyone on her team (hence her spontaneously growing a tattoo and the bruise). The Shimmer does not have to destroy, it is bringing about change, or something different. Lena at the end is that something different, she has absorbed all of the team as well as the alien double.
The alien absorbs the tendency to self-destruction of the human DNA, and sets the lighthouse on fire, bringing about her own destruction, but allowing Lena and her husband to move forward.
They are now the Shimmer outside of the Shimmer, and as hinted throughout the film, they are immortal beings who have resolved the issue of decay by continually absorbing other properties via the prism (like how the water in the glass behaves at the end). They embrace only when they assure the other that they are not themselves.
Posted on 2/26/18 at 10:22 am to Carson123987
quote:Yep. One of the things I noticed in the movie was the many different forms of self destruction done by all of the characters as well as the "shimmer" or alien being.
Garland said the movie is about self destruction in various forms.
At the beginning of the movie we see a broken wife who just lost her husband. There life was seemingly great and they loved each other very much. She risks her life to try and save him. Why? The easy explanation is that she loves him. In reality, things were not as great as they seemed. Portman's character cheated on Isaac's. Isaac is aware of the infidelity and begins to lose self respect and self value so he begins to take more and more dangerous missions. Until finally taking a "suicide" mission. Portman, filled with guilt, then decides to take the same "suicide" mission. It was a big chain reaction of self destruction. Kind of like the what the "shimmer" created.
There was so much deep and interesting psychological elements going on with all of the characters. That was probably my favorite aspect of the movie. Watching things unfold with them.
And that's just one of the elements of this movie I greatly enjoyed. Garland is a brilliant man and I can't wait to see what else he has in the future.
This post was edited on 2/26/18 at 10:25 am
Posted on 2/26/18 at 10:25 am to Baloo
Bingo. I'm leaning towards real Lena being the one that returned, but she was profoundly affected by her time inside.
I like this more than the Ventress' cancer cell theory.
Nice breakdown
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The alien absorbs the tendency to self-destruction of the human DNA
I like this more than the Ventress' cancer cell theory.
Nice breakdown
Posted on 2/26/18 at 10:31 am to Carson123987
I do like the cancer cell theory as well. I like that the film is open to multiple interpretations. I don't feel like it is necessary to come up with the "right" one.
Though, with a little work, I think we could combine the cancer and amalgamation theories. Get to work, M/TV Board!
Though, with a little work, I think we could combine the cancer and amalgamation theories. Get to work, M/TV Board!
Posted on 2/26/18 at 10:34 am to Carson123987
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Anya had the tattoo, not Lena.
Both of them did.
Posted on 2/26/18 at 10:38 am to touchdownjeebus
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I like that the film is open to multiple interpretations. I don't feel like it is necessary to come up with the "right" one.
yup, that's why its so good
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Both of them did.
where'd you see it? I feel like it would've jumped out during the flashback scenes where she hardly has anything on (like when she was getting tickled by Kane)
Posted on 2/26/18 at 12:19 pm to Carson123987
She didn't have it in the flashbacks nor most of the time in the Shimmer. I'm not exactly sure when she "acquired" it, but I think it was when she approached the Lighthouse.
Posted on 2/26/18 at 1:12 pm to Carson123987
quote:she gained it around the time of the bear attack in the house
where'd you see it? I feel like it would've jumped out during the flashback scenes where she hardly has anything on (like when she was getting tickled by Kane)
she doesn't have it when she pricks her arm and looks at her own blood in the microscope. she has it when Josie morphs into a plant after Ventress heads to the lighthouse.
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