re: Andor (Disney+) Season Thread

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I just think that there's no other reason he would own a random kyber crystal unless it was actually the one he was using. That's why I think he's completely turned away from it.

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He's an rare artifact dealer though, so owning a random kyber crystal isn't illogical for him.

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But he keeps it on his person. And tells Andor to not take less than 50K credits but says "it will always be worth more to me" and that he wants it back if they survive.

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True, the context in which we've seen it isn't as a dealer. I would guess Andor doesn't even know what his cover job is.

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I don't follow Star Wars lore at all, but do the grey jedi still use the force, use lightsabers are a primary weapon?

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They will use both unlike the Jedi order but still prefer the light saber. I think with Luthen if a Jedi like any other would avoid drawing any attention his way. Being a Gray Jedi he would not be listed as part of the order would likely escape the hunt under Order 66. When Luke created the new Jedi Order many gray Jedi trained there.

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The term Gray Jedi, or Gray, had two meanings. First, it was used by Jedi and Sith to describe Force-users who walked the line between the light and dark sides of the Force without surrendering to the dark side, and second, it described Jedi who distanced themselves from the Jedi High Council and operated outside the strictures of the Jedi Code. However, those who were considered to be true Gray Jedi met both qualifications and did not belong to any particular Force tradition.

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Gray Jedi called on the dark side of the Force, but were not corrupted by it and did not embrace it entirely.

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I saw this quote from lore and thought it reminds me of Luthen and how he does things.

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"The so-called gray Jedi have been with us since the beginning. Although they do not break with the Jedi orthodoxy concerning the dark side, they bristle when asked to take orders from the Council. Gray Jedi make compromises, cut corners, and hide their actions from scrutiny, all under the assumption that their experience makes them authorities on policy. They are mavericks who are difficult to control, but can be valued members of the Order after they have been persuaded to follow the established hierarchy." ?Restelly Quist, Jedi Chief Librarian following the New Sith Wars

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So it would be interesting if he were one as it would show a different side of the force we are not use to even though Lucas I believed never like the term as it conflicted with his concept of the force. But again Lucas brought in Kennedy so he has lost credibility with me.

I read a fan theory on Twitter that can't be proven at all just yet but I bought in. Cassian's lost sister is Kleya. Luthen took her in just like Maarva took in Cassian. Not sure what his reasons for being Kenari would be, but "Kassa" and "Kleya" kind of has a brother/sister sound to it.

Call me crazy but Kleya’s mannerisms are just like Leia. Either it’s her or they are trying to fake us out.

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Call me crazy but Kleya’s mannerisms are just like Leia. Either it’s her or they are trying to fake us out.

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Leia is 14 at this point in the timeline.

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It was more than just that, it was when Palpatine consolidated his power and declared himself Emperor. Order 66 "merely" eliminated the biggest threat to his control.

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Anyone that is familiar with Star Wars understands that but the reference was to the internet theory out there and why I posted it.

Looking back on the relationship between Luthen and Kleya, it almost seems like father/daughter. She's very protective of him, will pretty much scold him when she thinks he's making a mistake (to which he doesn't respond harshly at all), but even when she demanded they close off communications with Bix, she still wanted his permission before doing it.


I'm going to lean on this until Gilroy tells me otherwise

I love Star Wars, but I'm pretty much over the force as well. I get it is a central focus in this universe and I'm sure it will be visited with Andor via Luthen's back story, but there are other parts to Star Wars that doesn't involve Jedi and this series has done a masterful job immersing us into it.

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One of the tiresome aspects of Star Wars is an overemphasis, practically a fixation, to shoehorn the Force and Force users into everything.

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You see folks, I want Star Wars, but I don’t want it to be Star Wars at all.

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Well, I saw the original in the theater when it was released, and the strong suggestion that Luke and Leia would hook up, not be siblings. I still refer to that movie as "Star Wars", not "A New Hope".
My favorite aspect was the futuristic element combined with WW2-type warfare, not the magical element of the Force saving the day at the end. My favorite character was Han Solo, not Luke. And for the record, Luke doesn't get to "use the Force" if not for Han saving his arse first.

The movie series may have taken a hard turn into Force fascination, but there has always been room to explore the 'normal' side of things. Sadly, it hasn't been done much. It seems like this show is doing exactly that- no magical Force users as of now. We have glimpses of normal, everyday life- Cassian and Maarva's home, Syril and mama's apartment on Coruscant, Timm's place where he sleeps with Bix, Bix's place. The beachfront crib Andor is chilling at after leaving, he's arrested in the SW Circle K parking lot

The list can go on and on, Mon Motha's Penthouse, Luthen's shop, etc. So much has been fleshed out.