re: Ahsoka Season 1 Episode 7 Discussion Thread

Didn’t the dark saber get destroyed in the last episode of the Mandalorian?

(I kinda blocked out season 3)

The ysalmiri (or however it was spelled) are like Mara Jade, Talon Karde, Joru'us C'baoth and Lu'uke Skywalker: Legends out of the universe.

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Didn’t the dark saber get destroyed in the last episode of the Mandalorian?

(I kinda blocked out season 3)

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Yes it did.

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It’s titled Ahsoka but she is not the sole focus of the series.

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Does anyone else find it strange that this seems to be a common trend with Disney+ shows. Loki was not the focus of Loki. ObiWan was not the focus of ObiWan. Now, Ashoka is not really about Ashoka or really anything. Seriously, in 7 episodes we have not learned anything about the overall goals and narratives of our antagonist.

Finally, does anyone else find it strange that the entire focus of Star Wars is now on female characters. Literally every person of power, focus, position is women. They will not give a male Jedi a lightsaber; and fans make excuses. All the bad guys are male, the no name Senator, Baylan, Thrawn; men are subordinate and incompetent to women in Star Wars. They are trying so hard to make Sabine the focus of Ashoka's show. Her character is truly boring. Star Wars has really gotten pretty pathetic. They have feed us so much crappy Star Wars content now that hard core fans will accept any dribble and think its good. They have turned Star Wars into Buffy the Vampire Slayer on the CW.

It's obvious Disney + is on the Marvel length timeline of storytelling
It will be 10-15 years of putting all these shows in the Star Wars universe and at some point there will be a payoff or culmination of tying them all together
Only problem with that is at some point you lose some of your audience that gets tired of waiting
The core audience will stick around for it but that's about it

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Do Morgan and Shin not count as a bad guys? Did you have the same complaint for the OT and Prequels for their masculine villainy?

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Shin will not be a bad guy in the end. Morgan is a non-factor of a character.

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Did you have the same complaint for the OT and Prequels for their masculine villainy?

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See this is how people cope with seeing criticisms they do not like. Ask a question that implies some form of male chauvinistic world view. I am not sure what this has to do with my criticisms of the current vision of Star Wars. But when you have a government that spans thousands of star system, I am to believe that every major power broker in the new republic is held by woman. Woman president, power broker in woman Senator Leia, Hera, Ashoka, Sabin, woman captains of star ships and first officers.

Now how has Star Wars treated traditional and new male characters. More senior men relegated to only being a captains, Han turned into a dead beat dad, Luke turned into a bumbling old man who give no shite for anyone, ObiWan turned into a jaded old man who has lost his powers, Mandalorian relegated to a backseat to a woman in his own show.

These are not things I am making up, these are things they are presenting on screen.

No mention of C3-PO yet? Kinda sad he was the highlight of this episode

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Woman president,

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You mean one of the main persons that started and led the rebellion, and was in the OT as such? and her character in Andor was awesome.

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power broker in woman Senator Leia

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I don't even know what to say here to this ridiculousness.

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Hera, Ashoka, Sabin, woman captains of star ships and first officers.

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Hera has led a group of rebels for some time and proven herself.
Ashoka is none of that. She's a jedi on her own that does what she wants.
Sabine is no one as well in this regards.

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Now how has Star Wars treated traditional and new male characters. More senior men relegated to only being a captains, Han turned into a dead beat dad, Luke turned into a bumbling old man who give no shite for anyone, ObiWan turned into a jaded old man who has lost his powers

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I'm sorry, i don't know what any of this is. When did any of that crap happen? I can't seem to recall seeing any movies set after Return of the Jedi. It's like they have been erased from my memory.

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Mandalorian relegated to a backseat to a woman in his own show.

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Ahsoka is being relegated to a backseat to Thrawn, and Ezra, and Baylan, as all of them have more unanswered questions about them than Ahsoka in this series.



Look man, i'm as in tune to the woman injected shite as anyone, and i can't stand it. I hated Obi-Wan, probably more so than the movies. I just want good tv shows and movies, and this show is 100% that. There was plenty of non sense in Obi-Wan and whatever the 3 movies were, but this show is nothing like that. Get over it. When a show is well written and directed, none of the crap you are complaining about matters, like Andor and Rogue One. When a show is poorly written, and directed even worst, like Obi-Wan, then the stupidity of injecting women as flawless and men as idiots and other dumb crap becomes front and center.

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Does anyone else find it strange that this seems to be a common trend with Disney+ shows. Loki was not the focus of Loki. ObiWan was not the focus of ObiWan. Now, Ashoka is not really about Ashoka or really anything. Seriously, in 7 episodes we have not learned anything about the overall goals and narratives of our antagonist.

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This is pretty much what I was getting at. If you’re going to call the show Ahsoka or Obi Wan or Bobbs Fett or whatever, you have to let that character be the central focus of the show, especially if the show is 8 episodes and 30 minutes long. It can’t simply be a vehicle to introduce as many characters as possible and this is important, not every single character needs its own spin off. This is a show about Ahsoka, but instead valuable screen time is being wasted trying to develop some sort of love interest for Sabine and Ezra. You can’t continue to put the central character in the backseat because you know a stand alone Sabine series would not have worked.

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See this is how people cope with seeing criticisms they do not like. Ask a question that implies some form of male chauvinistic world view. I am not sure what this has to do with my criticisms of the current vision of Star Wars.

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This is how you avoid criticism you don’t like. You complained that all the Ahsoka villains are male, even the female ones. I asked if it bothered you that Lucas made 6 movies with exclusively male villains. It’s that simple.

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But when you have a government that spans thousands of star system, I am to believe that every major power broker in the new republic is held by woman. Woman president, power broker in woman Senator Leia, Hera, Ashoka, Sabin, woman captains of star ships and first officers.

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That woman president is Mon Mothma, a leader of the rebellion since A New Hope. Andor has shown she is more than capable of handling herself politically. Do you have a better choice based on established characters?

Leia was a princess since birth, senator for decades, and general in the rebellion. How wouldn’t she gain influence?

Aksoka, the most established female character in Star Wars, held no power or influence in the new republic.

Hera was a general in Rebels. We could only assume she would keep her job.

Sabine was an anti-social cat lady squatting in her crush’s apartment.

The female new republic captain got embarrassed by some space whales.

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Now how has Star Wars treated traditional and new male characters. More senior men relegated to only being a captains, Han turned into a dead beat dad, Luke turned into a bumbling old man who give no shite for anyone, ObiWan turned into a jaded old man who has lost his powers, Mandalorian relegated to a backseat to a woman in his own show.

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Out of all those examples, Filoni only had creative control over Mando. But during that time, he gave us Ezra, Kanan, and introduced Thrawn from Legends. Kanan is one of the best Jedi in Star Wars and Filoni’s Thrawn has been all you could ever want from the character. The criticism of Mando is valid, but you also have to consider the show is relegated to setting up the movie now and Pedro seems to only be available for the bare minimum. Handicapping him with a toddler didn’t help, but everybody loves Grogu.

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Out of all those examples, Filoni only had creative control over Mando. But during that time, he gave us Ezra, Kanan, and introduced Thrawn from Legends. Kanan is one of the best Jedi in Star Wars and Filoni’s Thrawn has been all you could ever want from the character. The criticism of Mando is valid, but you also have to consider the show is relegated to setting up the movie now and Pedro seems to only be available for the bare minimum. Handicapping him with a toddler didn’t help, but everybody loves Grogu.

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Thrawn from Rebels was good I agree. But the overall feel of most Star Wars today is bait and switch for bad and boring stories. Ashoka is an interesting character. I liked how they gave Ashoka some story arc with her struggles based on Anakin had trained her. But there is to much other stuff with Sabin and Hera right now for such short episodes. To much nostalgia bait. They missed a great chance to tell a really compelling story had they focused on Ashoka and Baylan and the contrast and struggles of both post Jedi order. This show suffers from trying to tell to big a story.