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re: A Song of Ice and Fire (GoT "I read the book" thread)
Posted on 6/16/11 at 1:32 pm to SLC
Posted on 6/16/11 at 1:32 pm to SLC
Am I the only one that thought this from the books??
Varys was almost a given and the other struck me as someone we had seen before and at the time Illyrio was the only person we had met that knew the where abouts of dany and viserys
Varys was almost a given and the other struck me as someone we had seen before and at the time Illyrio was the only person we had met that knew the where abouts of dany and viserys
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Posted on 6/16/11 at 2:00 pm to CottonWasKing
Well I only first really thought about it after going through the series once....seemed that there were those at the Citadel that knew what was up and they were playing pieces covertly behind the scenes.
Also made more sense to me from a motive perspective. Illyrio doesn't really care about the Targs and their cause. Was just a profit opportunity
Also made more sense to me from a motive perspective. Illyrio doesn't really care about the Targs and their cause. Was just a profit opportunity
Posted on 6/17/11 at 1:23 am to Volvagia
I wonder if the producers will stick to the story and have Daenerys go all GI Jane on us?
Posted on 6/21/11 at 3:02 pm to ATLienTiger
This is from Sean Bean's interview with Vulture posted yesterday. Does Sean Bean know more than the rest of us? Interviewer question in bold, Bean's answer not bolded. It doesn't look like Bean believes Ned is Jon's father.
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My money’s on the mother being Ned’s dead sister and the father being Rhaegar Targaryen. If Ned swore to protect his dead sister’s son from his own best friend, the best way of doing that would have been to claim him as his own and take him in.
Ned really knows who [Jon’s parents are], but he can’t let on. That’s why it’s such a moving moment, those poignant scenes I have with Kit Harington [who plays Jon], because I couldn’t say what I really thought. There are so many things I could have said, because there is a love there between the two of them, but I can’t express it as overtly as I can with the other children, who I can hold and kiss. Even if I were his true father, I can’t talk about it for fear of offending my wife, who’s really bitter about this. So it’s really a cruel situation. Through no fault of his own, Ned took on a lot by taking Jon in
Posted on 6/21/11 at 3:46 pm to MediTiger
this theory of Jon being Ned's nephew makes a lot of sense and opens up a LOT of possibilities for the story. The whole idea of Lyanna being "abducted" had been niggling at me as being wrong as I read further into the books, and it seemed like Ned knew it but just couldn't say it... Although I suppose that angle could still be true, but Ned doesn't harbor the animosity against the Targs like Robert does and there is obviously *a lot* about the Lyanna story that is unsaid and barely hinted at throughout the books... I wonder if we'll ever get the full story of how that all went down, esp since everyone who knew what really happened is dead? (Unless Varys and Littlefinger have some insight?)
ETA: another thing I have been hoping for throughout the story is a reunion of Arya with Nymeria. I wonder if that will ever happen?
ETA: another thing I have been hoping for throughout the story is a reunion of Arya with Nymeria. I wonder if that will ever happen?
This post was edited on 6/21/11 at 3:49 pm
Posted on 6/21/11 at 3:59 pm to Shreveporter
I'm convinced R + L = J; way too much pointing to it. Howland Reed was at the TOJ and has to know ab it too, Wylla as well being part of the cover story.
Posted on 6/21/11 at 4:03 pm to Shreveporter
Does anyone have Storm of Swords handy? I don't remember the exact wording when Bran asked the Reeds whether the Dragon Prince ever found the Knight of the Laughing Tree but your answer is right there. If it turns out to be something else I'll just assume that Martin has changed the story to prove the internet wrong. There's just too much evidence.
Posted on 6/21/11 at 4:48 pm to Books
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Howland Reed was at the TOJ and has to know ab it too, Wylla as well
true, hopefully we get the story out of them before they get hanged, shot with a cross-bow, poinsoned, unjustly beheaded, burned up by wild fyre, killed by the red-woman's evilly birthed shadow, etc...
So, could the "abduction" story have been solely a cover for Lyanna's confinement? I always wondered what she really died of, since there was no real illness explained and it wasn't explicitly stated that she was "raped to death" in the same manner as Rhaegar's wife. So dying in childbirth is totally plausible. I wonder if Ser Barristan knows much about it, as he seems to have a good bit of knowlege of Rhaegar he is passing on to Daenarys.
This post was edited on 6/21/11 at 4:51 pm
Posted on 6/21/11 at 5:23 pm to Shreveporter
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So dying in childbirth is totally plausible. I wonder if Ser Barristan knows much about it, as he seems to have a good bit of knowlege of Rhaegar he is passing on to Daenarys.
I thought death in childbirth was pretty much given. And I don't know if Ser Jorah (who I think you meant by Barristan) knows about Jon, but he especially seems to make comments of how good of a guy Rhaegar was. In fact the only person who really detests him was Robert. So I don't see him abducting Lyanna and raping her. I think she chose Rhaegar over Robert and he couldn't deal with it.
This post was edited on 6/21/11 at 5:25 pm
Posted on 6/21/11 at 5:37 pm to WavinWilly
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And I don't know if Ser Jorah (who I think you meant by Barristan)
Spoilers:
I think he definitely meant Barriston. And he may know something about it, though he was at the Trident with Rheagar, rather than at the Tower of Joy, so his knowledge might just limited to "Lyanna must be protected", rather than "Lyanna is pregnant with my son.
Posted on 6/21/11 at 6:08 pm to TigerNutwhack
Oh yea. I was kinda stuck in the GoT time frame because of the show. My bad
Posted on 6/21/11 at 7:51 pm to Books
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I'm convinced R + L = J; way too much pointing to it. Howland Reed was at the TOJ and has to know ab it too, Wylla as well being part of the cover story.
This....Dany's vision of "His is the song of Ice and Fire" screams it. At the end it HAS to come to Dany coming to Westeros as a conquerer, and finding a frightened realm barely holding it together against the long Night.
It is Jon that is the thread (maybe with Stannis's help?), and with her dragons she goes from conquerer to rescuer.
Posted on 6/21/11 at 9:30 pm to Volvagia
You know it never dawned on me until after watching the season finale but melisandre is correct. It does take the blood of a king to hatch a dragon.......
Posted on 6/21/11 at 9:51 pm to Volvagia
I haven't decided yet if Jon and Dany will join together/marry or if they will go to war with each other until one dies. I am still not convinced that Jon and Dany will be kissy kissy.
Posted on 6/21/11 at 9:55 pm to WavinWilly
I don't see jon abandoning his vows to be honest, if his first piece of arse couldn't do it and being offered winterfell couldnt do it. He is there for life and the nights watch doesn't pay attention to the high lords when they play their game of thrones
Posted on 6/21/11 at 10:06 pm to CottonWasKing
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You know it never dawned on me until after watching the season finale but melisandre is correct. It does take the blood of a king to hatch a dragon.......
But Drogo was dead before the pyre...I always thought it was the maegi's death that brought it about.
Or at least she did something...she knew what Dany was trying to do, and for some reason helped her with her shrill incantations as she was burning.
Posted on 6/21/11 at 10:09 pm to Volvagia
Where was she from? I wouldn't have thought she would've know anything about dragons, its even lost in the citadel. I never thought the fire had to kill the king just consume him. 3 weeks till winter comes 
Posted on 6/21/11 at 10:10 pm to CottonWasKing
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I don't see jon abandoning his vows to be honest, if his first piece of arse couldn't do it and being offered winterfell couldnt do it. He is there for life and the nights watch doesn't pay attention to the high lords when they play their game of thrones
Hmmm maybe. Jon is a bit of an enigma. He didn't immediately turn away from the prospect...and it was Ghost's reappearance that changed the tone of his thoughts that changed his mind and made him decide on the Wall.
Considering how the direwolves were "sent" to the Stark children, you have to wonder this happened to ensure that Jon stays on the Wall, just as Ghost made sure he was caught when he attempted to desert...he is needed there.
That won't be the case after the Others are pushed back.
Posted on 6/21/11 at 10:12 pm to CottonWasKing
I am not sure. She picked up knowledge from a bit of everywhere.
But I am pretty sure she spent time in Asshai, the same place Melisandre is from.
I dunno though...its just the line of fear entering her eyes when Dany talks to her just before the pyre starts makes me wonder if she understood what Dany was really attempting. And her being on the pyre with Drogo wasn't just vindictive, if it was at all.
But I am pretty sure she spent time in Asshai, the same place Melisandre is from.
I dunno though...its just the line of fear entering her eyes when Dany talks to her just before the pyre starts makes me wonder if she understood what Dany was really attempting. And her being on the pyre with Drogo wasn't just vindictive, if it was at all.
This post was edited on 6/21/11 at 10:13 pm
Posted on 6/21/11 at 10:15 pm to Volvagia
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"I will," Dany said, "but it is not your screams I want, only your life. I remember what you told me. Only death can pay for life." Mirri Max Duur opened her mouth, but made no reply. As she stepped away, Dany saw that the contempt was done from the maegi's flat black eyes; in its place was something that might have been fear."
This post was edited on 6/21/11 at 10:15 pm
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