- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
4 Reasons 'Princess and the Frog' is better than 'Frozen'
Posted on 9/6/16 at 11:49 am
Posted on 9/6/16 at 11:49 am
Thoughts?
Also:
quote:
...
This story accomplishes more in its establishing 20 minutes than “Frozen” pulls off in 90. Every character’s motivations make sense (cough, Hans, cough), and we care about all of them, down to the wizened Cajun lightning bug. The film also has loving parents who aren’t hastily thrown into a watery grave after sentencing their children to some formative years of extreme isolation and fear, so Tiana has that going for her.
...
There is one dream sequence in “Princess and the Frog” that tops even Elsa’s falling ice chandelier, which I grant is a pretty great Michael-Bay-meets-Disney moment. Tiana dreams of her own restaurant to the tune of the driving, aspirational “Almost There,” and the interior is wrought in art deco cut-outs. Waiters, tables, and musicians swirl in Esther Williams choreography, with the look and color scheme of an Aaron Douglas painting of the Harlem Renaissance.
...
Watching “Frozen” was the moment I noticed how far Disney songs had fallen in lyrical sophistication since the ’90s era. Whither Aladdin’s “genuflect, show some respect, down on one knee?” Now we have “I don’t know if I’m elated or gassy” and “know” and “go” rhyme. Fine, but it’s a lyrical comedown from Eminem to Ja-Rule.
...
“Frozen” is rightly praised for its elevation of filial love over the romantic love that so often drives Disney films. This formulation gives viewers some variety and feminists plenty to cheer about in a princess story for a new generation.
“The Princess and the Frog” gives the same opportunities to its heroine, setting her up as a career-driven hard worker. Her envisioned restaurant is unabashedly named “Tiana’s Place.” Based loosely on Leah Chase, longtime co-owner and chef of New Orleans staple Dooky Chase, Tiana is independent and surprising, especially for her time.
She and her prince, Naveen, go through hardship, life lessons, and transformations together before they fall in love. Frankly, they spend more time together than Anna and Elsa do.
Also:
quote:
“The Princess and the Frog,” of course, ran into criticism. Tiana got her name after her original name, Maddy, was rejected as too close to “Mammy” or something. Others objected to Naveen’s skin color— voiced by a Brazilian actor, Disney says he’s non-white, but he was considered so light by some as to suggest black men aren’t worthy of the pantheon of Disney princes. Some fretted about portrayals of voodoo, jazz, and the bayou reinforcing stereotypes instead of rising above them.
This post was edited on 9/6/16 at 12:02 pm
12
Posted on 9/6/16 at 11:52 am to TN Bhoy
Frozen was turrrrrible.
Posted on 9/6/16 at 11:54 am to TN Bhoy
The blonde lesbian is hotter tho
Posted on 9/6/16 at 12:00 pm to TN Bhoy
quote:
This story accomplishes more in its establishing 20 minutes than “Frozen” pulls off in 90.
That is a horrendous opening statement
Posted on 9/6/16 at 12:00 pm to TN Bhoy
Frozen is a very shallow movie. The music made it the hit that it was.
Posted on 9/6/16 at 12:01 pm to TN Bhoy
quote:
wizened Cajun lightning bug
Best part of that movie honestly..
Posted on 9/6/16 at 12:29 pm to Phil A Sheo
quote:
Best part of that movie honestly..
"Y'all from Shreveport??"
Posted on 9/6/16 at 12:44 pm to CocomoLSU
"POOOOO.....go to bed!!!!!"
He likes the sauce picante' ahh paw
He likes the sauce picante' ahh paw
Posted on 9/6/16 at 12:48 pm to TN Bhoy
I agree with this, and not purely for the reasons stated. Frozen is the most overrated movie since "Crash". "The Princess and the Frog" is a far more cohesive story with better character development, more relateable characters, and better music. The villains in "Frozen" were shoe-horned at the last minute so that Elsa didn't have to be bad, and it showed. Basically, it boiled down to ra-ra men are evil! "Frozen" is the equivalent of a Disney movie made by Tumblr.
Posted on 9/6/16 at 1:06 pm to TN Bhoy
Dude, just let it go.
Posted on 9/6/16 at 1:38 pm to TN Bhoy
My 3 year old would bitch slap you for insinuating such a thing.
Posted on 9/6/16 at 4:28 pm to TN Bhoy
Frozen is maybe the most perfectly mediocre movie ever made. It's just so generic and average and forgettable.
Posted on 9/6/16 at 4:28 pm to TN Bhoy
There is no worse way to elevate a film by attempting to tear down another. The Frozen backlash is just a bunch of whiny people mad that their pet Disney movie wasn't the breakout hit that Frozen was. Frozen didn't even have the benefit of the massive marketing push (for Disney), and was really a fairly unexpected hit, at least for its level.
And it did so based primarily on word of mouth on the movie's quality. Ever since, there's been a cottage of industry of arguing Frozen isn't that good (usually centered on Tangled). They're wrong. Frozen really is that good and this review hand waves it away: there's fantastic songbook, and the film doesn't get bogged down in mythology. Over-explaining magic/imaginary tech is the #1 most common and infuriating sin in modern movies. Stop writing user's manuals. It's a McGuffin, we get it. Move on. Frozen doesn't get stuck in this morass, and spends more time on its characters. It's a great film, and truly Disney's best since Lion King. Adults need to stop whining and trying to claim their cool points by liking the "obscure" Disney film.
OK, that said, Princess and the Frog is f'n great. Let's go through their major reasons.
THE STORY. I agree people's motivations make sense (except for the man-servant, who veers wildly back and forth between pure villainy and weak-willed doormat). Prince Niveen has an actual arc to his character, as does Tiana, who eventually learns to put others before he single-minded quest for the restaurant. If that was all that mattered, she could've sold Niveen out. And they do a great job of making you care about a bug and not turning John Goodman's daughter into some cartoon villain who only cares about herself. It's not the Lion King in its Shakespearean theft, but it's got a solid story with good, characters. And the setting itself is a character itself. Even if the author forgives the same flaws in Frog's it condemns Frozen for (like conveniently killing a parent for motivation). And while I love Raymond, his help is more of a plot convenience than a part of his character.
THE ANIMATION. I do love hand drawn animation, but there's no centerpiece section like the floating lights sequence in Tangled or the construction of Elsa's ice tower. It could use that moment for the animators to show off, as the Tiana's Place dream sequence is a little too heavily stylized, and out of place. Still, it's a lush film that makes good use of the New Orleans setting. Probably the only recent American hand drawn film that can compete with Miyazaki on pure beauty.
SOUNDTRACK. Big fan of the soundtrack, and the fact all of the voice actors sing their parts. It also all fits the New Orleans/bayou settings, especially anything involving Raymond. Even Keith David shows off his style even if he's not the greatest singer on earth with Friends on the Other Side. I think Randy Newman wrote every song, and you can't go wrong when he brings his A-game. I think it's only drawback is that it didn't have that one memorable number, instead having a deep roster of great songs.
THE MESSAGE. Wishes only get you part of the way is pretty grounded for a Disney film. I like that Tiana is motivated to be her own person, and not just looking for her prince. She's trying to accomplish her own goals, and there are no shortcuts. I'd also point out Frozen's themes of sisterly love and self-sacrifice saving yourself instead of waiting for someone to save you are pretty similar. And Frozen's is packaged in a well-written twist reveal that subverts audience expectations.
Princess and the Frog is great, and it deserved to be more successful (though I find the jabs at SJW's in the review to be non-sensical, as this was obviously an attempt to have a more racially diverse Princess line... the SJW contingent LOVED this movie and its aims, just as conservatives at the Federlist could latch on to the free market themes). Hopefully, it will find second life, but this was the film Disney thought would relaunch their animated line, not Frozen.
And it did so based primarily on word of mouth on the movie's quality. Ever since, there's been a cottage of industry of arguing Frozen isn't that good (usually centered on Tangled). They're wrong. Frozen really is that good and this review hand waves it away: there's fantastic songbook, and the film doesn't get bogged down in mythology. Over-explaining magic/imaginary tech is the #1 most common and infuriating sin in modern movies. Stop writing user's manuals. It's a McGuffin, we get it. Move on. Frozen doesn't get stuck in this morass, and spends more time on its characters. It's a great film, and truly Disney's best since Lion King. Adults need to stop whining and trying to claim their cool points by liking the "obscure" Disney film.
OK, that said, Princess and the Frog is f'n great. Let's go through their major reasons.
THE STORY. I agree people's motivations make sense (except for the man-servant, who veers wildly back and forth between pure villainy and weak-willed doormat). Prince Niveen has an actual arc to his character, as does Tiana, who eventually learns to put others before he single-minded quest for the restaurant. If that was all that mattered, she could've sold Niveen out. And they do a great job of making you care about a bug and not turning John Goodman's daughter into some cartoon villain who only cares about herself. It's not the Lion King in its Shakespearean theft, but it's got a solid story with good, characters. And the setting itself is a character itself. Even if the author forgives the same flaws in Frog's it condemns Frozen for (like conveniently killing a parent for motivation). And while I love Raymond, his help is more of a plot convenience than a part of his character.
THE ANIMATION. I do love hand drawn animation, but there's no centerpiece section like the floating lights sequence in Tangled or the construction of Elsa's ice tower. It could use that moment for the animators to show off, as the Tiana's Place dream sequence is a little too heavily stylized, and out of place. Still, it's a lush film that makes good use of the New Orleans setting. Probably the only recent American hand drawn film that can compete with Miyazaki on pure beauty.
SOUNDTRACK. Big fan of the soundtrack, and the fact all of the voice actors sing their parts. It also all fits the New Orleans/bayou settings, especially anything involving Raymond. Even Keith David shows off his style even if he's not the greatest singer on earth with Friends on the Other Side. I think Randy Newman wrote every song, and you can't go wrong when he brings his A-game. I think it's only drawback is that it didn't have that one memorable number, instead having a deep roster of great songs.
THE MESSAGE. Wishes only get you part of the way is pretty grounded for a Disney film. I like that Tiana is motivated to be her own person, and not just looking for her prince. She's trying to accomplish her own goals, and there are no shortcuts. I'd also point out Frozen's themes of sisterly love and self-sacrifice saving yourself instead of waiting for someone to save you are pretty similar. And Frozen's is packaged in a well-written twist reveal that subverts audience expectations.
Princess and the Frog is great, and it deserved to be more successful (though I find the jabs at SJW's in the review to be non-sensical, as this was obviously an attempt to have a more racially diverse Princess line... the SJW contingent LOVED this movie and its aims, just as conservatives at the Federlist could latch on to the free market themes). Hopefully, it will find second life, but this was the film Disney thought would relaunch their animated line, not Frozen.
Posted on 9/6/16 at 4:32 pm to TN Bhoy
Princess and the Frog is underrated IMHO.
Posted on 9/6/16 at 6:24 pm to Baloo
What did you copy and paste all that shite from?
Posted on 9/7/16 at 10:31 am to ellunchboxo
I wrote it because I have the ability to form my own thoughts and write them down.
Posted on 9/7/16 at 10:45 am to Baloo
quote:
Baloo
Posted on 9/7/16 at 11:00 am to TN Bhoy
Why does the author feel the need to destruct Frozen in an attempt to raise the value of Princess and the Frog? I view them equal on my list of Disney princess films as each offers something unique and new to the genre. Let them stand alone as they are completely different messages brought to a usually bland genre.
Posted on 9/7/16 at 5:09 pm to TROLA
good god ya'll are overthinking this.
i laughed at a funny snowman and if you dont like frozen then
i laughed at a funny snowman and if you dont like frozen then
Page 1 of 1
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News