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re: You can change the result of one play in the history of sports....

Posted on 1/22/16 at 3:24 pm to
Posted by rockchlkjayhku11
Cincinnati, OH
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 1/22/16 at 3:24 pm to
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I would argue Bama getting the rematch is what broke the BCS. Talk of the "best" team is strictly the eyeball test. At least half the BCS match-ups were not the "2 best" teams I'd argue. What happens on the field should matter. OkSt had the better resume, Bama did not win their division and lost at home.

im not disagreeing with anything here. except that bama was the best team that year. they just were, and yes that is obviously using hindsight. but they deservedly would have been left out had ok state made the field goal which is nuts. i agree, lsu wins the title had that happened and nobody could have complained about how it would have happened.

i guess i just find it weird that the play lsu would change in their program's history (and many fans are choosing this over all other teams they care about as well) helps them avoid alabama in the title game. they got beaten so badly that game that there isn't a single play that would change that outcome so they have to make a change that avoids bama altogether. that's the part that is odd and less fun IMO. plus they still have a chance at losing the game, which nobody even addresses as possible.

the cool part is that one play in one game that didn't even involve the national title participants has that much impact on the champion. this is probably true of many years but it is really crazy to me that an oklahoma state field goal against fricking iowa state has such a large impact on college football history and that it will definitely be forgotten x number of years from now.

fwiw: not disagreeing with lsu fans picking that play and am even agreeing that lsu would most likely win the natty with that change. it's just a weird situation.
This post was edited on 1/22/16 at 3:30 pm
Posted by beatbammer
Member since Sep 2010
38810 posts
Posted on 1/22/16 at 3:26 pm to
Hard to pick for Auburn fans.

If the Earthquake Game TD doesn't happen 1988, Auburn is playing for higher stakes than a Sugar Bowl trophy and the refs likely don't let our WR get mugged in the end zone at the end of that game.

And if Kelvin Benjamin drops that ball at the end of the BCSNG game in Pasadena, AU likely wins another one.
Posted by Rabbs and QStick
Texas
Member since Apr 2012
3034 posts
Posted on 1/22/16 at 3:28 pm to
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OSU kicker doesn't miss FG against Iowa St.

LSU has best season in CFB history



Its funny because I was in Oxford that night because I had gone to LSU-Ole Miss game and never understood why all the LSU fans were rooting for Iowa St that night knowing a rematch would become likely.
Posted by Chili Davis
Wichita, KS
Member since Nov 2010
957 posts
Posted on 1/22/16 at 3:30 pm to
Sid Bream gets a hit in the top of the 8th inning in game 7 of the 1991 WS. Either that or Lonnie Smith learns how to run the bases and scores from first on Terry Pendleton's double in the same inning.

Posted by ForkEmDemons
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since May 2014
2235 posts
Posted on 1/22/16 at 4:10 pm to
1 second never gets added to the clock and Nebraska wins the BIG XII championship.

Posted by Draconian Sanctions
Markey's bar
Member since Oct 2008
88509 posts
Posted on 1/22/16 at 4:28 pm to
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plus they still have a chance at losing the game, which nobody even addresses as possible.


While it still would have sucked, losing to Okie State in that situation would be infinitely less bad.

I mean put UGA in our position except exchange Bama for Florida.
Posted by blueridgeTiger
Granbury, TX
Member since Jun 2004
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Posted on 1/22/16 at 4:45 pm to
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
61014 posts
Posted on 1/22/16 at 6:24 pm to
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fwiw: not disagreeing with lsu fans picking that play and am even agreeing that lsu would most likely win the natty with that change. it's just a weird situation.


no doubt a unique situation but that's because a) we were undefeated and had beaten them at home b) as you noted the CG wasn't close so we can not single out 1 play, (though early in the 3rd it was still 12-0, LSU's longest play of the night was a 15-20 yd pass to OBJ, on the play TE D Patterson was WIDE open down the field, if Jefferson sees him he waltz's into the end zone. Does that affect the outcome, doubt it, but maybe gives LSU some spark and forces Bama's D to loosen up a little) and c) if they were the "best" team, LSU was 1a and probably beat anyone else in the country and again we beat them in their stadium, IDGAF how close it was or that they could have won, that's why they play the games and in the BCS, every game was supposed to matter.

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helps them avoid alabama in the title game


I know as an LSU it can't help but sound like sour grapes given the result, but i swear i made these arguments long before that game going back to 2001 Nebraska and 2003 OU. I argued a team that doesn't win its conference. let alone didn't win its own division should not play in the BCS CG. I also argued 2 teams from the same conference should not play a rematch, since the whole point of the BCS was supposedly that the regular season and every game matters. Just ironic i suppose that it was my team that got the shaft

There were some examples of games not involving LSU that helped us in other seasons, the most obvious being WVU losing to Pitt, of course if USC beats 40 point underdog Stanford then they are the ones skull fricking Ohio State, but in that year we could have pointed to plays in LSU loses to Kentucky (dropped pass in EZ, settled for FG, game went to OT) or Ark (Casey Fricking Dick converts a 4th and 10 in i think the first OT). In 2003 if Hawaii beats Boise, it would have helped USC's SOS and may have pushed them over LSU in the complicated, flawed formula used by the BCS then.
This post was edited on 1/22/16 at 6:43 pm
Posted by Thib-a-doe Tiger
Member since Nov 2012
36766 posts
Posted on 1/22/16 at 6:29 pm to
Sid Bream grounded out to 3rd in the 4th inning one time. Sucked. I'd change that to a seeing-eye single
Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
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Posted on 1/22/16 at 6:30 pm to
Not just ONE play but there were a couple plays that Ole Miss made that cost LSU an unbeaten season in 1969 and a possible national title by beating Texas in the Cotton bowl............... Talk about changing the landscape of LSU football forever..............
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
61014 posts
Posted on 1/22/16 at 6:41 pm to
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rockchlkjayhku11


you edited your post, but i think you had said something about other teams we (LSU fans) follow.

For the Saints the only one is the 2012 divisional game vs SF (that was the same week as the LSU-Bama game, what a crappy week for Louisiana sports ) any way stop the last TD or the 60 yds pass to Davis where he got out of bounds that set up the last TD or Thomas not getting a broken jaw and fumbling inside the 5 early and the Saints are hosting the Giants in the NFCCG. Now they did clobber the NY Football Giants in Nov that year, but the way Giants played on those runs, who knows and then there would have been NE in the SB.

LSU basketball in 1987 we played Indiana in the elite 8. Knight went ballistic, pounding on the scorers table, he prolly should have been tossed but didn't even get a T. If we win that the FF was in NOLA with UNLV (not the 90-91 team), Syracuse and Providence was wide open, could have won but who knows.
1990 we lost to GT in the 2nd round by 3, the regional was in NOLA, i think had we beaten GT we make the FF (they did) but no way we beat that UNLV, though we did beat them in the reg season that year.

LSU Baseball, 1998 it got cold one day with the wind blowing in and we lost to USC, if we beat them we make the final vs ASU which USC won 21-14. LSU hit 188 HR that year, i think we could have scored at least 15 (maybe we get 30 ) and win 3 straight.

2013 if Bregman doesn't muff that throw and or one of Ibarra's warning track shots goes out in the first game vs UCLA, i think we win it all. It would have set up really nice for us in our side of the bracket at least, playing NCSt in the winners game but not having to face Carlos Rondon.

Houston Rockets Nothing really. Stockon knocked us out in the 97 WCF, but that was game 6, game 7 was in Utah,

Houston Oilers. pick a play in the Buffalo choke game in 93 and i think the Oilers make the SB vs Dallas. The following year if they beat KC they go back to Buffalo.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
61014 posts
Posted on 1/22/16 at 6:48 pm to
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Not just ONE play but there were a couple plays that Ole Miss made that cost LSU an unbeaten season in 1969 and a possible national title by beating Texas in the Cotton bowl............... Talk about changing the landscape of LSU football forever..............



the 59 game vs Tennesse, Cannon and other players swear the UT guy didn't get in on 2 pt conversion, win that and they win back to back, even though they lost SB to Ole Miss, NC was given out before bowls in 59.
Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
216476 posts
Posted on 1/22/16 at 6:59 pm to
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the 59 game vs Tennesse, Cannon and other players swear the UT guy didn't get in on 2 pt conversion,


Johhny Majors swears he made it in....
Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
42867 posts
Posted on 1/22/16 at 7:07 pm to
Tim McGraw does not give up a HR to Toronto in game six leading 14 to something and Phils win the series in 6 games 14-to something instead of losing 15-14..
This post was edited on 1/22/16 at 7:21 pm
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
Premium Member
Member since Jan 2005
80956 posts
Posted on 1/22/16 at 8:45 pm to
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Tim McGraw does not give up a HR to Toronto in game six leading 14 to something and Phils win the series in 6 games 14-to something instead of losing 15-14..


?????

Tim McGraw is a country singer.

Tug McGraw was long retired when the Phillies played Toronto.

The Phillies won the 1980 Series and lost the 1983 Series in five.

Posted by blueridgeTiger
Granbury, TX
Member since Jun 2004
22289 posts
Posted on 1/23/16 at 7:06 am to
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the 59 game vs Tennesse, Cannon and other players swear the UT guy didn't get in on 2 pt conversion, Johhny Majors swears he made it in....


??? It was LSU who went for two late in the fourth quarter - Cannon carried the ball up the middle, some say it looks like he crossed the plane, but the refs saw it different. Tigers lost 14-13
Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
216476 posts
Posted on 1/23/16 at 7:15 am to
Yup you are right. Majors swears he didn't make it.
Posted by LSUTANGERINE
Baton Rouge and Northshore LA
Member since Sep 2006
38468 posts
Posted on 1/23/16 at 7:18 am to
Damn you!
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
61014 posts
Posted on 1/23/16 at 10:43 am to
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??? It was LSU who went for two late in the fourth quarter - Cannon carried the ball up the middle, some say it looks like he crossed the plane, but the refs saw it different. Tigers lost 14-13



my bad, i knew it was about a 2 pt conversion
Posted by rolltide32
Fort Payne, AL
Member since Nov 2013
6784 posts
Posted on 1/23/16 at 10:44 am to
Phil Mickelson hits the 72nd fairway at Winged Foot. Wins with par.

Or

Tracy Porter pick 6 is an Indy TD. Peyton goes on to win and is tGOAT.
This post was edited on 1/23/16 at 10:47 am
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