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re: Y'all do know the 80's Lakers/Celtics would have annihilated both of these teams, right ?
Posted on 6/18/24 at 9:42 am to Keys Open Doors
Posted on 6/18/24 at 9:42 am to Keys Open Doors
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The median player from 1985 wouldn’t have the same success.
Exactly, and the guys beyond that couldn't make it in a major Euro league today.
This really gets pronounced after the expansions (especially after the Canadian expansion), so it's not fully applicable to the 80s teams, but that 90s era was really bad.
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Posted on 6/18/24 at 12:21 pm to Jose Jiminiz
Especially under the old rules. They could not take 5 steps to the basket like they do now.
That is one thing I hate about the NBA today, why dribble at all?
That is one thing I hate about the NBA today, why dribble at all?
Posted on 6/18/24 at 12:40 pm to Keys Open Doors
So who is this median player. If I look at 84-85 for MP you get guys like Dan Roundfield, John Stockton, Jeff Ruland and Larry Spriggs. If you just compare them to similar MO from last year you get guys like Daniel Theis, Robert Covington, Kobe Simmons and Ashton Hagans. Not only do the 84-85 seem pretty comparable, I certainly don’t think Dan Roundfield is losing his job to some of the end of the bench guys. ( If you use pts as median, you start to pull in folks like Mo Cheeks, Barkley, Issel and Fat Lever)
The types of games are different. Some of the reserve centers may have some problems in the modern game, but a lot were solid defenders and still likely have spots particularly with expanded rosters (Tree Rollins, Caldwell Jones). Guys like Dave Cowens would thrive. I don’t even think you want to compare the all rookie teams from those 2 years
The types of games are different. Some of the reserve centers may have some problems in the modern game, but a lot were solid defenders and still likely have spots particularly with expanded rosters (Tree Rollins, Caldwell Jones). Guys like Dave Cowens would thrive. I don’t even think you want to compare the all rookie teams from those 2 years
This post was edited on 6/18/24 at 4:21 pm
Posted on 6/18/24 at 1:52 pm to QJenk
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and defensively
What defense?
Posted on 6/18/24 at 2:05 pm to SlowFlowPro
looking at the 1984-85 Celtics Roster in today's game
defending NBA Champs
Lost to LAL in the 85 Finals
No. Player Pos Ht Wt Birth Date Exp College
44 Danny Ainge SG 6-5 185 March 17, 1959
33 Larry Bird SF 6-9 220 December 7, 1956 y
28 Quinn Buckner PG 6-3 190 August 20, 1954
34 Rick Carlisle SG 6-5 210 October 27, 1959
30 M.L. Carr SF 6-6 205 January 9, 1951
40 Carlos Clark SG 6-4 210 August 10, 1960
3 Dennis Johnson PG 6-4 185 September 18, 1954
50 Greg Kite C 6-11 250 August 5, 1961
31 Cedric Maxwell SF 6-8 205 November 21, 1955
32 Kevin McHale PF 6-10 210 December 19, 1957
00 Robert Parish C 7-1 230 August 30, 1953
8 Scott Wedman SF 6-7 215 July 29, 1952
20 Ray Williams PG 6-3 188 October 14, 1954
2024 strengths
Bird, Carlisle, Wedman, Ainge were all good to great 3pt shooters
Bird/Maxwell/Parish/McHale would really feast in the 2024 post up game
DJ was slow but very physical and would be a handful for some guards
Celtics could negate speed with controlling pace and flow of the game
Opponents would struggle with BOS being very efficient
2024 weaknesses
Parish/McHale would struggle with stretch 4/5s
Pick and roll game may cause some problems as well
some Iso matchups would be trouble for BOS with really no answer
officiating is VERY different now and BOS may not be able to adapt
Ray Williams would have thrived in today's game but by 1984/85 he was on his way out
not much usable Guard depth on the roster for 2024 NBA basketball
defending NBA Champs
Lost to LAL in the 85 Finals
No. Player Pos Ht Wt Birth Date Exp College
44 Danny Ainge SG 6-5 185 March 17, 1959
33 Larry Bird SF 6-9 220 December 7, 1956 y
28 Quinn Buckner PG 6-3 190 August 20, 1954
34 Rick Carlisle SG 6-5 210 October 27, 1959
30 M.L. Carr SF 6-6 205 January 9, 1951
40 Carlos Clark SG 6-4 210 August 10, 1960
3 Dennis Johnson PG 6-4 185 September 18, 1954
50 Greg Kite C 6-11 250 August 5, 1961
31 Cedric Maxwell SF 6-8 205 November 21, 1955
32 Kevin McHale PF 6-10 210 December 19, 1957
00 Robert Parish C 7-1 230 August 30, 1953
8 Scott Wedman SF 6-7 215 July 29, 1952
20 Ray Williams PG 6-3 188 October 14, 1954
2024 strengths
Bird, Carlisle, Wedman, Ainge were all good to great 3pt shooters
Bird/Maxwell/Parish/McHale would really feast in the 2024 post up game
DJ was slow but very physical and would be a handful for some guards
Celtics could negate speed with controlling pace and flow of the game
Opponents would struggle with BOS being very efficient
2024 weaknesses
Parish/McHale would struggle with stretch 4/5s
Pick and roll game may cause some problems as well
some Iso matchups would be trouble for BOS with really no answer
officiating is VERY different now and BOS may not be able to adapt
Ray Williams would have thrived in today's game but by 1984/85 he was on his way out
not much usable Guard depth on the roster for 2024 NBA basketball
Posted on 6/18/24 at 2:32 pm to supatigah
I agree. The roster might be slightly different for the way the game is officiated and opponent rosters, but you are aren’t dealing with as much talent disparity. Maybe tgat Celtics roster gives less minutes to Greg Kite; maybe they have more small rotations, etc., but they wouldn’t in 85 to match up with their opponents
There were guys in 85 that didn’t thrive as much due to style of play. Just a couple of years forward, wouldn’t a guy like Brad Sellers have done better in the modern game
There were guys in 85 that didn’t thrive as much due to style of play. Just a couple of years forward, wouldn’t a guy like Brad Sellers have done better in the modern game
Posted on 6/18/24 at 2:43 pm to Jose Jiminiz
Who cares?
All everyone in the know, knows 80's basketball was infinitely more watchable. You didn't just tune in for the last 5 minutes to see the score. Every point was a grind in the Finals.
All everyone in the know, knows 80's basketball was infinitely more watchable. You didn't just tune in for the last 5 minutes to see the score. Every point was a grind in the Finals.
This post was edited on 6/18/24 at 2:46 pm
Posted on 6/18/24 at 2:53 pm to dukkbill
In the 80’s you had a 3-pt line but teams hadn’t optimized how to use it yet.
The 1984-85 Celtics shot 308 3-pt shots with a 35.8% shooting percentage. This year’s Celtics shot 3482 3-pt shots with a 38.8% shooting percentage.
If you dropped the 80’a team into 2024 or sent a modern team back to the 80’s, you’d still see the 80’s team take too many 18-20 ft jump shots, with their coach screaming if anyone shot a rhythm 3 with 16 seconds left on the shot clock.
The 1984-85 Celtics shot 308 3-pt shots with a 35.8% shooting percentage. This year’s Celtics shot 3482 3-pt shots with a 38.8% shooting percentage.
If you dropped the 80’a team into 2024 or sent a modern team back to the 80’s, you’d still see the 80’s team take too many 18-20 ft jump shots, with their coach screaming if anyone shot a rhythm 3 with 16 seconds left on the shot clock.
Posted on 6/18/24 at 3:08 pm to BRIllini07
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In the 80’s you had a 3-pt line but teams hadn’t optimized how to use it yet.
The 1984-85 Celtics shot 308 3-pt shots with a 35.8% shooting percentage. This year’s Celtics shot 3482 3-pt shots with a 38.8% shooting percentage.
If you dropped the 80’a team into 2024 or sent a modern team back to the 80’s, you’d still see the 80’s team take too many 18-20 ft jump shots, with their coach screaming if anyone shot a rhythm 3 with 16 seconds left on the shot clock.
great points
80s teams took a lot of mid-range shots because there was a lot less spacing and you caught and dribble dribble to a spot to shoot a jumper just to get an open look
I think Bird/Wedman/Ainge would absolutely love all of the wide open looks
with all of the spacing the Celtics low block post ups would be really tough to stop
Posted on 6/18/24 at 5:01 pm to Jose Jiminiz
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Yet Luka is a pudgy white guy that looks straight out of the 80's NBA
Luka is a freakishly large human. What pudgy which guy point guards in the 80s were that big?
Posted on 6/18/24 at 5:13 pm to faraway
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bit a fair comparison bc all teams are watered down bc of expansion. subtract a few teams and every team left gets a lot better. in today's league, Bird and Mchale wouldn't be on the same team. the lakers would have a least one fewer super star
There are more teams in the league than there were 40 years ago, but the talent pool is so much bigger due to the growth of the sport internationally, the end of the Cold War, better scouting. In the 80s, Jokic and Luka would have been behind the Iron Curtain - they wouldn't have been able to play in the NBA.
Posted on 6/18/24 at 5:39 pm to Cell of Awareness
Bill Laimbeer alone would take out three people before the first TV break.
Posted on 6/18/24 at 5:46 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
All that may be true, but could any of them take A punch from Laimbeer....or constant body checks from Rodman?
Posted on 6/19/24 at 12:53 am to Jose Jiminiz
You do know it's not the 80s anymore?
Posted on 6/19/24 at 6:11 am to Jose Jiminiz
Well yeah, was that even in question? 
Posted on 6/19/24 at 6:54 am to KiwiHead
Laimbeer could also hit the 3.
Posted on 6/19/24 at 7:30 am to prplhze2000
And foul someone when doing it.
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