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re: Woj Bomb: Ainge stepping down from Celtics, Brad Stevens moving up
Posted on 6/2/21 at 11:57 am to Eat Your Crow
Posted on 6/2/21 at 11:57 am to Eat Your Crow
This has been hinted at by Boston Media for a while
Ainge is 62 and has had two heart attacks in the last 12 years, no surprise he wants out. I suspect he may move to SLC and take a minor role with the Jazz.
I am sure the team wanted to keep Indiana and Duke away from Stevens so a plan was put into place for Ainge to retire, Stevens takes over as President, Zarren becomes GM, Austin Ainge becomes Asst GM and the Celtics hire a promising young (and most likely black) coach to take over. Stevens fixes the roster problems and I would not be the least bit surprised if he leaves the front office and ends up on the bench one day (Like Riley in MIA or Popovich in SA )
I have mixed feelings about the Ainge Era, his old Celtics Connections brought Garnett and #17 to Boston and for that I am grateful, but his prickly nature seemed to make teams go out of their way to avoid doing deals with him. This seeming desire to "win" every trade as opposed to just making fair deals has clearly held Boston back from being able to fill holes and fix mistakes.
I dont blame Ainge for the failures of the last four years, he got Kyrie, he got Hayward, he drafted Tatum and Time Lord, he got Kemba. It wasn't Ainge's fault that Hayward blew up his leg on opening night four years ago. Its like the Celtics have been playing from behind ever since that happened.
Tatum is the future, JBrown is way to important to the community to be dealt now. Smart is the odd man out and the only viable trade piece they have, so expect him to be traded this summer. Especially if they plan to resign Fournier.
Ainge is 62 and has had two heart attacks in the last 12 years, no surprise he wants out. I suspect he may move to SLC and take a minor role with the Jazz.
I am sure the team wanted to keep Indiana and Duke away from Stevens so a plan was put into place for Ainge to retire, Stevens takes over as President, Zarren becomes GM, Austin Ainge becomes Asst GM and the Celtics hire a promising young (and most likely black) coach to take over. Stevens fixes the roster problems and I would not be the least bit surprised if he leaves the front office and ends up on the bench one day (Like Riley in MIA or Popovich in SA )
I have mixed feelings about the Ainge Era, his old Celtics Connections brought Garnett and #17 to Boston and for that I am grateful, but his prickly nature seemed to make teams go out of their way to avoid doing deals with him. This seeming desire to "win" every trade as opposed to just making fair deals has clearly held Boston back from being able to fill holes and fix mistakes.
I dont blame Ainge for the failures of the last four years, he got Kyrie, he got Hayward, he drafted Tatum and Time Lord, he got Kemba. It wasn't Ainge's fault that Hayward blew up his leg on opening night four years ago. Its like the Celtics have been playing from behind ever since that happened.
Tatum is the future, JBrown is way to important to the community to be dealt now. Smart is the odd man out and the only viable trade piece they have, so expect him to be traded this summer. Especially if they plan to resign Fournier.
This post was edited on 6/2/21 at 12:02 pm
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Posted on 6/2/21 at 11:58 am to Eat Your Crow
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I would think he'd rather go back to college than an NBA front office gig,
Apparently not.
Posted on 6/2/21 at 12:02 pm to floridatigah
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The most fair criticism would be that he let Hayward, Kyrie, Rozier, and Horford walk and got nothing back
I mean Horford they let walk and he instantly signed one of the worst contracts in the league. That’s honestly one of Ainges best decisions as a GM
Kyrie is the sole reason he’s not in Boston anymore and there wasn’t really a benefit to Brooklyn giving up assets to get Kyrie
Seems a bit unfair to call for him to make more win now moves, but then give him shite for not trading every good player who was a pending free agent during seasons in which they were competitive in the East
I feel like if he signed those players to big time deals, they would’ve been in a much worse place than they are now and everyone would be roasting them for paying players above their value (sans Kyrie ) and it would be impossible to improve the roster until those contracts got burned up. Basically those guys would’ve all been 3 more Kemba contracts and you’d have to look at trading a massive haul of picks or one of your young stars just to get out of the mess
This post was edited on 6/2/21 at 12:04 pm
Posted on 6/2/21 at 12:08 pm to WB504
Still accumulating those assets
Posted on 6/2/21 at 12:20 pm to wildtigercat93
It’s his job to maximize assets. He let Hayward go for nothing when he apparently had a good deal from Indiana on the table, that’s probably what cost him his job. Letting Horford walk was a good move, I’ll give you that but the other 3 you have to get something for, especially when they don’t have the cap space to replace them. And then turning all the extra picks the last few years you wouldn’t trade into Romeo Langford, Grant Williams, and Aaron Nesmith. He just hasn’t been good at his job recently.
Posted on 6/2/21 at 12:31 pm to floridatigah
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I’ll give you that but the other 3 you have to get something for,
This is a lot easier said that done. How exactly were they going to get assets out of Kyrie? They discussed a possible 3 team trade but the Nets are in no hurry to do Boston a favor in that situation
And they actually did technically get value out of Rozier, they did a sign and trade to make the money work to sign Kemba to replace Kyrie. So he was doing exactly what you’re describing in terms of saving the asset.
In a similar way, they also did get some sort of assets in return for Hayward, and given their cap situation at the time there wasn’t really a move to add any sort of replacement asset at the time with that trade exception they got from it. Would’ve been nice if they could’ve gotten Myles turner like people thought but if the pacers could find a way to keep him and sign Hayward then there’s no reason to give up that asset when Boston’s hands are tied at that point
And also Boston was competing in the East with deep playoff runs or high seeding during this entire era so it’s just hindsight if you want to argue he should’ve flipped them the previous season to get some value out of them instead of them leaving in FA
And again he’s not without fault for those draft picks and all that, I’m not saying he shouldn’t have been let go. But I don’t think there’s this other world where those assets magically turn into a championship team. It just comes down to Kyrie and Hayward’s leg breaking in the grand scheme of things.
This post was edited on 6/2/21 at 12:33 pm
Posted on 6/2/21 at 2:00 pm to PrimeTime Money
quote:The Nets had done an excellent job of recovering from the bad Celtics trade. I think it was a bit more than " luck " that the Nets were chosen. It was a well managed organization.
The Nets got lucky
Posted on 6/2/21 at 2:02 pm to WB504
Predictably, Simmons and Russillo had an emergency pod up within hours
Posted on 6/2/21 at 2:03 pm to Boomshockalocka
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Danny screwed the pooch. That team was set to compete for titles for years a half decade ago but they Never came close.
Gordon Hayward breaking his leg 30 seconds into his first game with the team didn't help his cause.
Posted on 6/2/21 at 2:04 pm to wildtigercat93
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That’s a bit of an impossibly high bar to set for a team
It's the bar they have to clear though. They were the team of the future 5 seasons ago but they got ran up on and passed up.
Posted on 6/2/21 at 2:26 pm to saintsfan22
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It's the bar they have to clear though. They were the team of the future 5 seasons ago but they got ran up on and passed up.
I’m just struggling to find the pattern of moves you could’ve made, even in hind sight to compete with the Nets putting together a team with Durant, Harden, and Kyrie.
They don’t have the luxury of being a Miami or LA team where you just have to wait for the next disgruntled star, and with Tatums emergence you aren’t going to be in range to get some bonafide superstar in the lottery.
And sure there’s been some talent to be had throughout various points in the draft, but hitting on a superstar that way is the least likely option out of any of them and not something you can really plan for
A change in direction was needed and they clearly need to do something to jolt the current roster construction, I just feel like we’re ignoring a lot of the context of those moves when you broad stroke it to “well you can’t beat Brooklyn so everything was a complete disaster”
And again that “team of the future” thing might’ve actually worked out if Kyrie didn’t decide his chakras didn’t align with the city and that he wanted out (and basically quit on that 2019 team in the playoffs)
People underestimate how big of a part luck usually plays in these GM decisions both ways
This post was edited on 6/2/21 at 2:28 pm
Posted on 6/2/21 at 2:51 pm to wildtigercat93
You are right, there hasn’t been any awful deals that led to this point, it’s just 3 or so years of meh moves that culminated in a crappy roster. I’ve always felt like Ainge has tried to play for both the present and future, which sounds smart but now it appears he had neither.
There’s nothing they could do to top the Nets roster now. But at the least they should have had a better roster last year with all the assets they had and been in the finals instead of the Heat. If they traded for Kawhi instead of the Raptors they might have won the finals two years ago.
There’s nothing they could do to top the Nets roster now. But at the least they should have had a better roster last year with all the assets they had and been in the finals instead of the Heat. If they traded for Kawhi instead of the Raptors they might have won the finals two years ago.
Posted on 6/2/21 at 3:17 pm to wildtigercat93
They definitely had bad luck, Heyward mostly notably, but they also missed some shots and passed on others.
Posted on 6/2/21 at 3:19 pm to saintsfan22
Apparently, Brad Stevens getting promoted to this job is extremely racist.
Posted on 6/2/21 at 3:32 pm to floridatigah
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If they traded for Kawhi instead of the Raptors they might have won the finals two years ago.
Yeah that’s a tough pill to swallow when you watch him take that Toronto team to a title
But even that I can’t bring myself to completely shite onbecause they were already dealing with one superstar that had both feet out the door, adding in another that made it clear he wanted to be in LA is a big risk.
Not to mention that Toronto title doesn’t happen if Klay and Durant don’t get hurt in that finals. That’s where that bastard named luck comes in yet again to play the cruel femme fatal
so there’s a world where even if they make the Khawi trade, he walks after losing in the finals or possibly earlier and then you do have to pretty much rebuild at that stage because you just sold out your young core for a half year rental. Looking back they should’ve taken that swing, but it would’ve been a ballsy and risky as hell move knowing the ultimate path would lead to GS (and ironically being exactly where they are now vs Brooklyn) Posted on 6/2/21 at 5:23 pm to WB504
Should have been more willing to give up assets for AD.
Posted on 6/2/21 at 5:37 pm to JabarkusRussell
Yeah, but AD made it clear he just wanted to play for the Lakers. So what kind of assets would the Celtics give up just for a short term rental? And this is a team with a history of winning - I don't think the fanbase would be satisfied with a half season rental for a superstar who was living out of a hotel room. (Especially not for a superstar who has the personality of a brick and is hurt all of the time)
Posted on 6/2/21 at 8:09 pm to Fun Bunch
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Apparently, Brad Stevens getting promoted to this job is extremely racist.
I remember when you used to be a good poster.
Posted on 6/3/21 at 1:16 am to timbo
He would still be under contract for 2 years at that point. Winning cures all.
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