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re: Will Derrick Henry be the last RB to make the HOF?
Posted on 9/26/24 at 7:57 pm to Madking
Posted on 9/26/24 at 7:57 pm to Madking
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I haven’t, unlike you I’ve provided all of the facts in this discussion while you argue that the opposite of reality is true. So again thanks for proving my points, both about Henry and yourself.
Nope you have ignored facts nonstop.
you said they started winning more and more consistently when Murrray left.
That wasn’t true. they had the same record the next two years.
You said they beat the Super bowl champ in 2021 before Henry got hurt.
That isn’t true. They beat them the next week.
The “fact” you keep falling back on is that they won 6 more games
his rookie year.
But you won’t go out and say it’s because of Henry. Because you know that’s not a defensible position.
This post was edited on 9/26/24 at 8:02 pm
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Posted on 9/26/24 at 8:06 pm to chalmetteowl
It has less to do with “analytics” and more to do with the fact it is the most easily replaceable position in the game. Not many people have the mental capability combined with physical ability to play QB well. There are only a relatively few people in the world with NFL size that many of the other positions require. Even less that have the size and tremendous athleticism.
RB is the least “technical” of all of the positions and there are numerous guys between 5’8 - 6’1 with good speed. It’s as simple as supply and demand. The supply of RBs is the greatest of any position. Thus, teams don’t need to keep RBs long term.
RB is the least “technical” of all of the positions and there are numerous guys between 5’8 - 6’1 with good speed. It’s as simple as supply and demand. The supply of RBs is the greatest of any position. Thus, teams don’t need to keep RBs long term.
Posted on 9/26/24 at 8:13 pm to SammyTiger
You’re pathetic, everything in that post is false except for my mistake about the Rams game. Sad that one oversight is the pillar to your argument or lack there of to be precise.
This post was edited on 9/26/24 at 8:14 pm
Posted on 9/26/24 at 9:58 pm to Willie Stroker
What about fournette
Posted on 9/27/24 at 7:08 am to JamalMurry27
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What about fournette
Sure, what the hell. I also predicted he would win 5 Heismans before he left.
Posted on 9/27/24 at 7:55 am to Madking
well, you admitted you were wrong about the rams.
you literally said the part about them winning more once Murray left.
and again, they had the exact same record for 2 more seasons after Murray left.
they actually averaged 9 wins a season across Henry entire career at Tennessee.
nothing i said is “false”
you literally said the part about them winning more once Murray left.
quote:
Then Murray left and they won more and more consistently with Henry. Another failed attempt for you
and again, they had the exact same record for 2 more seasons after Murray left.
they actually averaged 9 wins a season across Henry entire career at Tennessee.
nothing i said is “false”
Posted on 9/27/24 at 8:00 am to SammyTiger
Again false, you can’t just exclude seasons that don’t fit your narrative while also using one season as an era against 7. You don’t have facts on your side so you try to inflate tiny, insignificant things and use double standards to make a point. You’re fighting against reality like you always do.
Posted on 9/27/24 at 8:36 am to Madking
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Posted on 9/27/24 at 8:41 am to Madking
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Again false, you can’t just exclude seasons that don’t fit your narrative while also using one season as an era against 7
I told you how many games a season they averaged over 8 years. in no way did i use 1 season agains 7.
Murray was there 2 years and they went 9-7
After he left they averages 9 wins the next 6 years.
Posted on 9/27/24 at 9:05 am to SammyTiger
Murray was the lead back for one year and Henry was on that team also. They peaked at 12 wins, also had an 11 win year and made the playoffs 4 times once Henry became the lead back. They had zero playoff appearances since 2008 before that including the 1 season Murray led the team in rushing. Sorry but your single 9 win season without a playoff berth isn’t better than when Henry took over which is the most successful era in titans history since the McNair era from 1999-2005.
This post was edited on 9/27/24 at 9:10 am
Posted on 9/27/24 at 9:30 am to Madking
Whether you want to go by when Murray left or when Henry took over as the best back or when he actually got more carries, 9-7 is the same as 9-7. Henry isn’t a better RB because there was a 10-6 team to take their WC spot.
and the point isn’t that he sucks. And the point isn’t that he wasn’t a major contributing factor. the point is he wasn’t dragging a bad team to the playoffs every year.
He was a platoon back in 2017, and he missed half the season in 2020 when they won 12 games and had the 1 seed.
Again this isn’t to say he sucks.
He is good. i just don’t think he’s been the best back for the better part of a decade. I don’t think his current body of work is enough to get him in the HOF if he blew out his knee walking to the stadium sunday.
and the point isn’t that he sucks. And the point isn’t that he wasn’t a major contributing factor. the point is he wasn’t dragging a bad team to the playoffs every year.
He was a platoon back in 2017, and he missed half the season in 2020 when they won 12 games and had the 1 seed.
Again this isn’t to say he sucks.
He is good. i just don’t think he’s been the best back for the better part of a decade. I don’t think his current body of work is enough to get him in the HOF if he blew out his knee walking to the stadium sunday.
Posted on 9/27/24 at 9:37 am to SammyTiger
He has the most rushing yards since entering the league by nearly 1,000 yards and the most TDs of any player during that time regardless of position so yes he’s been the best back in the league since he became the starter for Tennessee.
This post was edited on 9/27/24 at 9:38 am
Posted on 9/27/24 at 10:11 am to Madking
He also gets significantly more carrie’s than anyone. on average and in total. He also doesn’t catch the ball.
can you say he’s a better RB than CMC or that he’s healthier?
He doesn’t have more yards from Scrimmage than Elliot who hasn’t been good in years.
can you say he’s a better RB than CMC or that he’s healthier?
He doesn’t have more yards from Scrimmage than Elliot who hasn’t been good in years.
Posted on 9/27/24 at 10:12 am to SammyTiger
Elliot has been in the league longer, still has 14 fewer TDs and 820 fewer yards than Henry.
Posted on 9/27/24 at 10:14 am to Madking
No he has not. they were both drafted in 2016.
and he has less yards from scrimmage because other RBs catch way more passes than him.
and he has less yards from scrimmage because other RBs catch way more passes than him.
This post was edited on 9/27/24 at 10:25 am
Posted on 9/27/24 at 10:38 am to SammyTiger
But I thought Henry got the ball so much more? When you’re arguing against facts these little contradictory things always bite you in the rear.
Posted on 9/27/24 at 11:04 am to Madking
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But I thought Henry got the ball so much more? When you’re arguing against facts these little contradictory things always bite you in the rear.
Him and Zeke have way more touches than anyone since 2016z.
since 2017 he has the most total touches. he has over 300 more touches than CMC and 144 more total yards.
He’s a high usage back.
also CNc couldn’t retire today and get into the Hall.
I don't think any active RB is a HOFer right now.
Posted on 9/27/24 at 7:02 pm to Alt26
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It has less to do with “analytics” and more to do with the fact it is the most easily replaceable position in the game. Not many people have the mental capability combined with physical ability to play QB well. There are only a relatively few people in the world with NFL size that many of the other positions require. Even less that have the size and tremendous athleticism.
RB is the least “technical” of all of the positions and there are numerous guys between 5’8 - 6’1 with good speed. It’s as simple as supply and demand. The supply of RBs is the greatest of any position. Thus, teams don’t need to keep RBs long term.
The issue is that the rules now greatly favor passing. A great running back used to be way more valuable when you ran the ball a lot more.
They have made it much easier to play QB/WR, it has more upsides and less downsides. As such, it's foolish to build your team around the run like teams used to.
Football was better when running and passing were sort of more equal viable strategies. Modern rules make anything but a pass oriented offense extremely foolish. Thus the RB position is now mostly a situational utility player.
Posted on 9/27/24 at 8:49 pm to StansberryRules
While we’re on the subject, it’s absurd Vince Wilfork is not in the HOF.
Posted on 10/14/24 at 12:01 pm to ned nederlander
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Henry is off to a great start though and if he has a big year this year it is probably enough for him.
Henry seems well on his way to punching his HOF ticket this year. Still early but Incredible for him to be leading the NFL in rushing yards, yards from scrimmage and TDs at this point in his career.
Only people with more touchdowns than Henry at this point and not in the HOF are:
Adrian Peterson (lock)
Fitzgerald (lock)
Antonio Gates (argument for biggest snub if he doesn’t get in)
Shaun Alexander (very close call)
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