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re: Why don’t more NFL draft prospects tell poorly-run franchises to kick rocks?
Posted on 1/24/22 at 1:20 pm to mdomingue
Posted on 1/24/22 at 1:20 pm to mdomingue
quote:That's probably the biggest issue with it.
And that you won't fall to another or the same crappy team next year.
If you can force a trade, I'm sure that would be preferable, but there's no guarantee you don't get drafted to another team in another shitty situation.
Or maybe you're the 6th pick this season, but the 10th pick next season, and now you've lost a bit of money too. Obviously maybe something weird happens and you get hurt training or just whatever, and you slip from the 6th pick to the 22nd pick the next season, now you've lost a shite ton of money.
But it's still a ton of leverage to have as the team obviously isn't likely to risk losing a draft pick entirely, so I imagine if a player really stuck to his guns, he'd get traded near the deadline or something.
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Posted on 1/24/22 at 1:23 pm to sorantable
The NFLPA has warned players not to sign with the Jaguars since their new ownership came into play. They don’t like honoring contracts and fine people for petty stuff that no other team fines players for. Dumb ownership letting his even dumber offspring run the circus down there.
Posted on 1/24/22 at 1:33 pm to sorantable
bc players are there to get paid. they dont care about winning. fans care about winning. you'll have your epiphany eventually
Posted on 1/24/22 at 2:15 pm to shel311
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Or maybe you're the 6th pick this season, but the 10th pick next season, and now you've lost a bit of money too.
Not just that but you lost and entire year of having that money in a league avg careers are short. If your dad is a wealthy former player or you have a similar offer from MLB (add Bo Jackson to this list he told the Bucs to not draft him or stick it) but for a middle class let alone poor kid that’s a huge amount of earnings you can never get back and a year of int or appreciation on say a house you bought for your mom. Not nearly as good of leverage as you think
Also the go back if you didn’t sign with an agent is/was just the basketball Football once they declare it’s done
This post was edited on 1/24/22 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 1/24/22 at 2:21 pm to sorantable
It's better than the alternative.
Once a team drafts you, they have your rights. You can basically refuse to sign with them, at which point you can't go back and play another year in college. So you just threw away a 5 million dollar (Note: I have no idea how much these guys are making, so that's just a guess) paycheck because you're stubborn.
Now what. If you go this route, you could have been a millionaire already, but instead you find a trainer somewhere to keep you in shape for the year. Meanwhile you're get a job at the local car dealership in your college town. Once the next year comes, you will likely fall in the draft from your original status. So your guaranteed income went down a whole lot. And then there's still the chance that you get picked up by yet another shitty-run franchise.
Once a team drafts you, they have your rights. You can basically refuse to sign with them, at which point you can't go back and play another year in college. So you just threw away a 5 million dollar (Note: I have no idea how much these guys are making, so that's just a guess) paycheck because you're stubborn.
Now what. If you go this route, you could have been a millionaire already, but instead you find a trainer somewhere to keep you in shape for the year. Meanwhile you're get a job at the local car dealership in your college town. Once the next year comes, you will likely fall in the draft from your original status. So your guaranteed income went down a whole lot. And then there's still the chance that you get picked up by yet another shitty-run franchise.
Posted on 1/24/22 at 2:33 pm to QJenk
quote:If you're a legit high first rounder, your agent will still front your living money for that year. Problem is you have to pay it back.
Meanwhile you're get a job at the local car dealership in your college town.
Posted on 1/24/22 at 3:29 pm to sorantable
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what’s one year?
roughly a 1/3 of the average an NFL career
Posted on 1/24/22 at 3:59 pm to shel311
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Obviously maybe something weird happens and you get hurt training or just whatever, and you slip from the 6th pick to the 22nd pick the next season, now you've lost a shite ton of money.
Just think of the Chad Jones situation but instead of it happening between graduation and the draft it happens after you decide to sit out a year to try to force a team to not pick you. shite happens.
Posted on 1/24/22 at 4:11 pm to sorantable
The only players who really have the power to pull this off are ones who have options in another league or who have enough family wealth they can sit a year with no issue.
They don’t have to do either as much as threaten to do so.
Elway didn’t stay with the Colts after saying he would play MLB, as the team was a clusterfrick at that time (drunken Irsay as owner, the mortal nemesis of Elway’s dad, Frank Kush, as coach, etc)
Bo Jackson sat a year rather than play for the Bucs after a bad experience while visiting the team during their due diligence of him as potential 1st overall pick. He told the Culverhouse family he would never play there, they thought they were calling a bluff, and it turns out he wasn’t bluffing.
He got drafted by the Royals and played MLB while doing the NFL as a side project after the Raiders drafted him in a later round.
Eli didn’t have the ability to play in another sport but Archie and Peyton having “frick you” money meant he could sit if the Chargers didn’t trade him.
About the only player I can think of in a similar situation in the past few years would be Kyler Murray, who already had signed as a top 10 MLB pick with the As.
They don’t have to do either as much as threaten to do so.
Elway didn’t stay with the Colts after saying he would play MLB, as the team was a clusterfrick at that time (drunken Irsay as owner, the mortal nemesis of Elway’s dad, Frank Kush, as coach, etc)
Bo Jackson sat a year rather than play for the Bucs after a bad experience while visiting the team during their due diligence of him as potential 1st overall pick. He told the Culverhouse family he would never play there, they thought they were calling a bluff, and it turns out he wasn’t bluffing.
He got drafted by the Royals and played MLB while doing the NFL as a side project after the Raiders drafted him in a later round.
Eli didn’t have the ability to play in another sport but Archie and Peyton having “frick you” money meant he could sit if the Chargers didn’t trade him.
About the only player I can think of in a similar situation in the past few years would be Kyler Murray, who already had signed as a top 10 MLB pick with the As.
Posted on 1/24/22 at 6:36 pm to Jcorye1
Not everyone is a pussy like Eli Manning.
Posted on 1/24/22 at 7:23 pm to Klingler7
Didn’t the Vikings go through this with Bryant Mckninnie, I think. It was the year that the Vikings actually let time expire on the clock & the Jags rushed in their pick.
Vikings had the 7th pick but insisted on paying him the 8th pick’s salary since he was the 8th player chosen.
Dude was a top ten oline pick back in the old rookie wage scale so serious $. I think he sat out almost the entire calendar year.
Vikings had the 7th pick but insisted on paying him the 8th pick’s salary since he was the 8th player chosen.
Dude was a top ten oline pick back in the old rookie wage scale so serious $. I think he sat out almost the entire calendar year.
Posted on 1/24/22 at 7:49 pm to CovingtonTigre
Imagine what it would be like with NIL where a player doesn't have to declare for the draft, if they are draft eligible due to age they are just drafted and they don't lose CFB eligibility. At that point they could make the decision to sign and report or just go back to CFB for another year. It would then be up to teams to convince them to sign and actually run a halfway competent organization (looking at you NY Jets).
Also, would solve the issue of CFB players having to weigh that decision to declare for the draft early, losing eligibility, then dropping to rounds they didn't expect to. They could choose to play another year of CFB and improve their draft position or maybe a kid who didn't expect it gets draft higher than they expected and decides to go pro instead of returning to CFB.
Point is, why does declaring for the NFL draft cause you to lose eligibility when you can get drafted into the NHL or MLB and you are given a choice to sign and leave college or stay in college. It's BS it's done this way in football and unfair to players.
Also, would solve the issue of CFB players having to weigh that decision to declare for the draft early, losing eligibility, then dropping to rounds they didn't expect to. They could choose to play another year of CFB and improve their draft position or maybe a kid who didn't expect it gets draft higher than they expected and decides to go pro instead of returning to CFB.
Point is, why does declaring for the NFL draft cause you to lose eligibility when you can get drafted into the NHL or MLB and you are given a choice to sign and leave college or stay in college. It's BS it's done this way in football and unfair to players.
Posted on 1/24/22 at 8:35 pm to SoDakHawk
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Would be a game changer if draft eligibility didn't cause you to lose your college eligibility
It’s really absurd that it does. As long as a guy doesn’t sign with an agent there is no legit reason he shouldn’t wait until after the draft to decide on returning to college
That said I do understand why the NFL would hate it
Posted on 1/24/22 at 9:35 pm to sorantable
Shitty owners still pay money.
Posted on 1/24/22 at 9:39 pm to sorantable
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I’m pretty sure a player could simply sit out a year and then re-enter the draft. Of course, that’s a big bet to take, but if you’re positive you’re going to a franchise that will never build a winner around you, what’s one year?
A wonder year!
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