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re: Why do you have Wilt Chamberlain in your top 5 all-time?
Posted on 5/30/16 at 1:39 am to molsusports
Posted on 5/30/16 at 1:39 am to molsusports
Wilt wasn't just a tall guy. Wilt was probably the biggest freak of nature in a league full of freaks of nature. A legit 7'1, a 7'8 wingspan. Not only was he athletic for a big guy he was fast for a human. A standing reach of 9'6 a vertical of 39 inches and a max reach of 12 feet 9 inches which is the highest of all time in the nba by 3 inches (Dwight Howard 12 feet 6 inches). "superior modern athlete" Kevin durant..12 feet 2 inches
He could palm a bowling bowl
He also did all this whIle weighing 315
Wilt would be a unamious number one puck any year he went in the draft because human beings aren't made to do the shite he was capable if doing
He also had the best fade away in the history if basketball. There was literally nothing you could do to stop it. Bill Russell even said he could bang with him but once he went to that fade it was a wrap
I have Jordan at the best ever because he won more but wilt is the biggest freak the,nba has ever seen, quite possibly ever will see, and was extremely skilled to boot. The only flaw in his game was fts and he was still was not god awful he had some 60% seasons. Basically shaq, not Jordan bad
He could palm a bowling bowl
He also did all this whIle weighing 315
Wilt would be a unamious number one puck any year he went in the draft because human beings aren't made to do the shite he was capable if doing
He also had the best fade away in the history if basketball. There was literally nothing you could do to stop it. Bill Russell even said he could bang with him but once he went to that fade it was a wrap
I have Jordan at the best ever because he won more but wilt is the biggest freak the,nba has ever seen, quite possibly ever will see, and was extremely skilled to boot. The only flaw in his game was fts and he was still was not god awful he had some 60% seasons. Basically shaq, not Jordan bad
This post was edited on 5/30/16 at 1:42 am
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Posted on 5/30/16 at 1:41 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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The less Wilt scored, the better his teams were offensively
He also went from a team that had sold itself twice whIle he was on it, to the 76ers who are the 76ers to the Lakers lol. Pretty sure that had something to do with it
Posted on 5/30/16 at 2:39 am to shel311
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Why doesn't anyone knock Shaq for the same reason? He was routinely playing against guys 50 lbs lighter.
Because he's still bigger than the biggest humans our species has to offer. Wilt no longer is. There are now players his size.
Posted on 5/30/16 at 3:36 am to TheSexecutioner
His size ? There might be 20 nba players that are 7'1. None are remotely close to his athe tic ability. Basically kg in his prime , but 80 pounds heavier with 4 inches more wingspan
Posted on 5/30/16 at 4:11 am to Bench McElroy
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There actually used to be plenty of full game footage on Wilt Chamberlain but unfortunately the NBA acted like bitches and took them all down. This is really the only game footage I can find of Wilt. LINK
If you watch ANY game from that era you will notice they hadn't invented boxing out yet, its crazy because if one team did it would cause at least a 20 point swing but apparently nobody had thought of it in the 60s.
Posted on 5/30/16 at 7:04 am to lsu480
Blocking out Is As Old As BASKETBALL itself. It's the natural positioning that people take when waiting on a free throw to come off the rim..
Posted on 5/30/16 at 8:35 am to PrimeTime Money
I don't rank anybody before the 80s as an all-time great in any sport.
Posted on 5/30/16 at 10:15 am to lsu480
quote:The no zone defense rules were rigorously enforced in the 60's. Defenders had to block out away from the basket. Also, backcourt fouls were 2 shot fouls in the 1960's, so players who had a body on them would concede possession and get back on defense rather than try to fight around the opponent and risk a 2 shot foul.
If you watch ANY game from that era you will notice they hadn't invented boxing out yet, its crazy because if one team did it would cause at least a 20 point swing but apparently nobody had thought of it in the 60s.
The techniques used for both offensive and defensive rebounding in the 60's were influenced by the rules of the time. Chamberlain and Russell were able to put up their insane rebounding totals because their quickness got them so many easy defensive rebounds when there were no other offensive rebounders near the rim except the opposing center. It was tough for the opposing players to get an offensive rebound unless it was a long rebound, and the shot selection of the time led to fewer long rebounds.
Posted on 5/30/16 at 12:05 pm to TheSexecutioner
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Because he's still bigger than the biggest humans our species has to offer. Wilt no longer is. There are now players his size.
Wilt's still taller than the vast majority of NBA players. When you consider how many of those guys have the coordination of those air puppets you see in front of car dealerships, I think he'd do pretty well in today's NBA.
This post was edited on 5/30/16 at 12:07 pm
Posted on 5/30/16 at 12:29 pm to Goldrush25
Compare Wilt to Andre the Giant and Arnold Schwarzenegger. It gives some perspective of his size and strength. 
Wilt was a well conditioned stud, even after his playing days ended.
Wilt was a well conditioned stud, even after his playing days ended.
Posted on 5/30/16 at 2:24 pm to vengeanceofrain
quote:Yeah, no big guy today is athletic as Wilt was...
His size ? There might be 20 nba players that are 7'1. None are remotely close to his athe tic ability.
This post was edited on 5/30/16 at 2:32 pm
Posted on 5/30/16 at 2:27 pm to Poodlebrain
The only player actually bigger than Wilt is Yao Ming
Posted on 5/30/16 at 2:29 pm to PrimeTime Money
Jordan is like 6'10 with a 7'6 wingspan
Posted on 5/30/16 at 2:32 pm to VerlanderBEAST
He's 6'11".. and so what?
Posted on 5/30/16 at 3:48 pm to PrimeTime Money
Darrall Imhoff
Darrall Imhoff, who as a 6-foot-10 rookie center for the New York Knicks had the misfortune of guarding Chamberlain during his 100-point game in 1962, said, "I spent 12 years in his armpits, and I always carried that 100-point game on my shoulders. "After I got my third foul, I said to one of the officials, Willy Smith, 'Why don't you just give him 100 points and we'll all go home?' Well, we did." Two nights later, at Madison Square Garden, Chamberlain tried to go for the century mark again. But Imhoff 'held' him to 54 points. The fans gave Imhoff a standing ovation. "He was an amazing, strong man," Imhoff said. "I always said the greatest record he ever held wasn't 100 points, but his 55 rebounds against Bill Russell."
12-foot basket
What's unfortunate is that most people regard the great leapers as being only the short guys who could dunk," said the 7-1 1/16 Wilt Chamberlain. "My sergeant [vertical leap] was higher than Michael Jordan's. When I went to Kansas, they had a 12-foot basket in the gym, because Dr. Phog Allen was advocating the 12-foot basket. I used to dunk on that basket. It was an effort, but I could do it.
Wilt vs. Magic
"On a summer day in the early 1980s, when Brown was coaching at UCLA, Chamberlain showed up at Pauley Pavilion to take part in one of the high-octane pickup games that the arena constantly attracted. "Magic Johnson used to run the games," Brown recalled Tuesday after hearing that Chamberlain, his friend, had died at 63, "and he called a couple of chintzy fouls and a goaltending on Wilt. "So Wilt said: 'There will be no more layups in this gym,' and he blocked every shot after that. That's the truth, I saw it. He didn't let one [of Johnson's] shots get to the rim." Chamberlain would have been in his mid-40s at the time, and he remained in top physical shape until recently." - Larry Brown
Wilt vs. Jim Brown
"Story goes he was at a party as was Jim Brown. One thing led to the next, the next you know they are talking off their shoes and heading outside. Not sure how far it was but Wilt beat Jim Brown in a race. Well Brown wasn't going for it so they raced again, Wilt wins again."
One Punch
"I do remember a story about Wilt getting in a fight with Clyde Lovellette, a huge hulking guy who was infamous as a hatchet man in the 1950s and 60s (he was like the Laimbeer of 30 years earlier). Lovellette was hacking Wilt, elbowing him in the back etc etc and finally Wilt? said F*ck this and cold-cocked Lovellette (6-9 and about 300) with one punch."
Welcome to the NBA
"When challenged, Wilt could do almost anything he wanted. In 1961 a new star named Walt Bellamy came into the league. Bellamy was 6-foot-11, and was scoring 30 points a game. First time they played against each other, they met at half court. Bellamy said, 'Hello, Mr. Chamberlain. I'm Walter Bellamy.' Chamberlain reached for Bellamy's hand and said, 'Hello, Walter. You won't get a shot off in the first half.' Wilt then blocked Bellamy's first nine shots. At the start of the second half Wilt said to Bellamy, 'Okay, Walter. Now you can play.'"
Great Leaper
Legends abound of the truly great leapers who could touch the top of the board. Almost always the feat involves money-claims that the player could grab a dollar bill off the top of the board, or could pluck off a quarter and leave two dimes and a nickel change ... "I defy anyone to say they took change off the top of the backboard," Chamberlain said. "I could. Someone would put a quarter up and I'd snatch it down. I've heard stories about Jackie Jackson doing it, but I've never seen anyone (but himself) come close." Sonny Hill, a Philadelphia leaping legend of the '60s, backs Wilt, saying, "The only man that's been to the top, that's Wilt. I asked Kareem if he ever did, and he could jump a little bit. He told me, `Sonny, no.'"
Dan Issel
In Denver, Nugget Coach Dan Issel said, "As I grew up, Wilt the Stilt was the player. Just the things he was able to do. I guess one year they told him he couldn't make as much money as he wanted because he couldn't pass the ball, so he went out and led the league in assists. "Watching Wilt, you always kind of got the idea he was just playing with people. That he was on cruise control and still 10 times better than anybody else that was playing at that time."
K.C. Jones
Former Celtics guard K.C. Jones remembered his casual run-in with Wilt. "He stopped me dead in my tracks with his arm, hugged me and lifted me off the floor with my feet dangling," Jones said. "It scared the hell out of me. When I went to the free-throw line, my legs were still shaking. Wilt was the strongest guy and best athlete ever to play the game."
Paul Silas
"One time, when I was with Boston and he was with the Lakers, Happy Hairston and I were about to get in a scrape," said Charlotte Hornets coach Paul Silas, who was a rugged, no-nonsense enforcer. "All of a sudden, I felt an enormous vise around me. I was 6-7, 235, and Wilt had picked me up and turned me around. He said, 'We're not going to have that stuff.' I said, 'Yes sir.'"
Harlem Globetrotters in Russia
"On the trip to Russia with the Harlem Globetrotters, we were in Lenin Stadium, and they assigned a dressing room to the team. The players were getting dressed for one of their games. They were in rather close quarters. Remember, these were young kids-Wilt was 23. The others were his age. They were like kittens. You bump me, i'll bump you back. And before you know it, two of the guys set on Wilt. They started playfully pushing and shoving him. And finally one of his teammates hit Wilt a little too hard. He took these two guys, twisted each of their shirts, and lifted both of them off the ground. Each of these guys weighed over 200 pounds. It looked like he had two little crackers in his hands. I thought he was going to hit their heads together. It was an amazing demonstration of strength".
Darrall Imhoff, who as a 6-foot-10 rookie center for the New York Knicks had the misfortune of guarding Chamberlain during his 100-point game in 1962, said, "I spent 12 years in his armpits, and I always carried that 100-point game on my shoulders. "After I got my third foul, I said to one of the officials, Willy Smith, 'Why don't you just give him 100 points and we'll all go home?' Well, we did." Two nights later, at Madison Square Garden, Chamberlain tried to go for the century mark again. But Imhoff 'held' him to 54 points. The fans gave Imhoff a standing ovation. "He was an amazing, strong man," Imhoff said. "I always said the greatest record he ever held wasn't 100 points, but his 55 rebounds against Bill Russell."
12-foot basket
What's unfortunate is that most people regard the great leapers as being only the short guys who could dunk," said the 7-1 1/16 Wilt Chamberlain. "My sergeant [vertical leap] was higher than Michael Jordan's. When I went to Kansas, they had a 12-foot basket in the gym, because Dr. Phog Allen was advocating the 12-foot basket. I used to dunk on that basket. It was an effort, but I could do it.
Wilt vs. Magic
"On a summer day in the early 1980s, when Brown was coaching at UCLA, Chamberlain showed up at Pauley Pavilion to take part in one of the high-octane pickup games that the arena constantly attracted. "Magic Johnson used to run the games," Brown recalled Tuesday after hearing that Chamberlain, his friend, had died at 63, "and he called a couple of chintzy fouls and a goaltending on Wilt. "So Wilt said: 'There will be no more layups in this gym,' and he blocked every shot after that. That's the truth, I saw it. He didn't let one [of Johnson's] shots get to the rim." Chamberlain would have been in his mid-40s at the time, and he remained in top physical shape until recently." - Larry Brown
Wilt vs. Jim Brown
"Story goes he was at a party as was Jim Brown. One thing led to the next, the next you know they are talking off their shoes and heading outside. Not sure how far it was but Wilt beat Jim Brown in a race. Well Brown wasn't going for it so they raced again, Wilt wins again."
One Punch
"I do remember a story about Wilt getting in a fight with Clyde Lovellette, a huge hulking guy who was infamous as a hatchet man in the 1950s and 60s (he was like the Laimbeer of 30 years earlier). Lovellette was hacking Wilt, elbowing him in the back etc etc and finally Wilt? said F*ck this and cold-cocked Lovellette (6-9 and about 300) with one punch."
Welcome to the NBA
"When challenged, Wilt could do almost anything he wanted. In 1961 a new star named Walt Bellamy came into the league. Bellamy was 6-foot-11, and was scoring 30 points a game. First time they played against each other, they met at half court. Bellamy said, 'Hello, Mr. Chamberlain. I'm Walter Bellamy.' Chamberlain reached for Bellamy's hand and said, 'Hello, Walter. You won't get a shot off in the first half.' Wilt then blocked Bellamy's first nine shots. At the start of the second half Wilt said to Bellamy, 'Okay, Walter. Now you can play.'"
Great Leaper
Legends abound of the truly great leapers who could touch the top of the board. Almost always the feat involves money-claims that the player could grab a dollar bill off the top of the board, or could pluck off a quarter and leave two dimes and a nickel change ... "I defy anyone to say they took change off the top of the backboard," Chamberlain said. "I could. Someone would put a quarter up and I'd snatch it down. I've heard stories about Jackie Jackson doing it, but I've never seen anyone (but himself) come close." Sonny Hill, a Philadelphia leaping legend of the '60s, backs Wilt, saying, "The only man that's been to the top, that's Wilt. I asked Kareem if he ever did, and he could jump a little bit. He told me, `Sonny, no.'"
Dan Issel
In Denver, Nugget Coach Dan Issel said, "As I grew up, Wilt the Stilt was the player. Just the things he was able to do. I guess one year they told him he couldn't make as much money as he wanted because he couldn't pass the ball, so he went out and led the league in assists. "Watching Wilt, you always kind of got the idea he was just playing with people. That he was on cruise control and still 10 times better than anybody else that was playing at that time."
K.C. Jones
Former Celtics guard K.C. Jones remembered his casual run-in with Wilt. "He stopped me dead in my tracks with his arm, hugged me and lifted me off the floor with my feet dangling," Jones said. "It scared the hell out of me. When I went to the free-throw line, my legs were still shaking. Wilt was the strongest guy and best athlete ever to play the game."
Paul Silas
"One time, when I was with Boston and he was with the Lakers, Happy Hairston and I were about to get in a scrape," said Charlotte Hornets coach Paul Silas, who was a rugged, no-nonsense enforcer. "All of a sudden, I felt an enormous vise around me. I was 6-7, 235, and Wilt had picked me up and turned me around. He said, 'We're not going to have that stuff.' I said, 'Yes sir.'"
Harlem Globetrotters in Russia
"On the trip to Russia with the Harlem Globetrotters, we were in Lenin Stadium, and they assigned a dressing room to the team. The players were getting dressed for one of their games. They were in rather close quarters. Remember, these were young kids-Wilt was 23. The others were his age. They were like kittens. You bump me, i'll bump you back. And before you know it, two of the guys set on Wilt. They started playfully pushing and shoving him. And finally one of his teammates hit Wilt a little too hard. He took these two guys, twisted each of their shirts, and lifted both of them off the ground. Each of these guys weighed over 200 pounds. It looked like he had two little crackers in his hands. I thought he was going to hit their heads together. It was an amazing demonstration of strength".
Posted on 5/30/16 at 3:48 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Elvin Hayes
In 1982, when he was 45 and Philadelphia 76er owner Harold Katz was hot after him, the Houston Chronicle's George White asked Elvin Hayes if Chamberlain could still play. "Some things about Wilt, you never forgot," Hayes said. "He was such an awesome physical specimen. To go up under Wilt Chamberlain, to be down there and look up at him when he's towering up over you waiting to dunk, was a terrifying picture. To see him poised up there, knowing he was about to sweep down with that big jam . . . that must be the most frightening sight in sports. The ball goes shooting through the net and you better have your body covered up because he could really hurt someone. I was scared. Everyone was scared when he got that look in his eye, that don't-try-to-stop-this look that he got when he really wanted it. . . . "I think Russell realized there was no way he could have stopped Wilt if he had been fully intent on making it a two-man game. No one who ever put on a uniform could have done it. When I played him, I kept this foremost in my mind: Above all, don't make him mad. Don't embarrass him. You wanted to keep him quiet as long as possible."
Arnold Schwarzenegger
"I remember he lifted me up with one arm like nothing. I remember Andre the Giant, professional wrestler he was a very good friend of mine, and Wilt Chamberlain and I both went out to dinner several times in Mexico City when we did the movie down there, the Conan Movie, and both of them would just pick me up over them, they were just joking about who could pick me up and make me look like lighter, like I was a fly, because they were so powerful"
Monte Johnson
Wilt had such unbelievable endurance and speed that, if he took off running, there wasn't any chance that anybody would keep up with him. He glided around the track and had the grace of a deer. I said to the coach, 'It might look like it helps us to chase him, but it may kill us because you can't catch someone who runs that fast.' After practice, he was the only one who wasn't tired. I never saw him tired."
Pick-up vs Magic
When Wilt was in his mid-40's he played in a pick-up basketball game with a bunch of nobodies on his team vs Magic Johnson and Norm Nixon. During the course of the game Magic calls a foul on Wilt. Wilt then declared, "okay, if you're going to play that way, then I'm going to shut you down". From that point on, Wilt blocked EVERY shot that Magic or Nixon put up and easily won the pick-up game.
In 1982, when he was 45 and Philadelphia 76er owner Harold Katz was hot after him, the Houston Chronicle's George White asked Elvin Hayes if Chamberlain could still play. "Some things about Wilt, you never forgot," Hayes said. "He was such an awesome physical specimen. To go up under Wilt Chamberlain, to be down there and look up at him when he's towering up over you waiting to dunk, was a terrifying picture. To see him poised up there, knowing he was about to sweep down with that big jam . . . that must be the most frightening sight in sports. The ball goes shooting through the net and you better have your body covered up because he could really hurt someone. I was scared. Everyone was scared when he got that look in his eye, that don't-try-to-stop-this look that he got when he really wanted it. . . . "I think Russell realized there was no way he could have stopped Wilt if he had been fully intent on making it a two-man game. No one who ever put on a uniform could have done it. When I played him, I kept this foremost in my mind: Above all, don't make him mad. Don't embarrass him. You wanted to keep him quiet as long as possible."
Arnold Schwarzenegger
"I remember he lifted me up with one arm like nothing. I remember Andre the Giant, professional wrestler he was a very good friend of mine, and Wilt Chamberlain and I both went out to dinner several times in Mexico City when we did the movie down there, the Conan Movie, and both of them would just pick me up over them, they were just joking about who could pick me up and make me look like lighter, like I was a fly, because they were so powerful"
Monte Johnson
Wilt had such unbelievable endurance and speed that, if he took off running, there wasn't any chance that anybody would keep up with him. He glided around the track and had the grace of a deer. I said to the coach, 'It might look like it helps us to chase him, but it may kill us because you can't catch someone who runs that fast.' After practice, he was the only one who wasn't tired. I never saw him tired."
Pick-up vs Magic
When Wilt was in his mid-40's he played in a pick-up basketball game with a bunch of nobodies on his team vs Magic Johnson and Norm Nixon. During the course of the game Magic calls a foul on Wilt. Wilt then declared, "okay, if you're going to play that way, then I'm going to shut you down". From that point on, Wilt blocked EVERY shot that Magic or Nixon put up and easily won the pick-up game.
This post was edited on 5/30/16 at 3:51 pm
Posted on 5/30/16 at 5:39 pm to PrimeTime Money
He's 6'9 and 3 quarters w/o shoes. 3 inches shorter than Wilt shorter arms
Posted on 5/30/16 at 7:25 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Not to mention Wilt would have had access to the better nutrition and training plus and this is huge, modern knee surgery.
Posted on 5/30/16 at 7:27 pm to ReauxlTide222
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I don't believe that's true. And I'm pretty sure there were like 7 guys who averaged more than Curry did this year...
Using Curry is an anomaly too though-- this year was the most efficient Point Per Minute number off all time for a major scorer.
Posted on 5/30/16 at 7:34 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
quote:Yea, sounds totally realistic.
From that point on, Wilt blocked EVERY shot that Magic or Nixon put up
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