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re: Why didn’t Verlander try to lay one down with a man at third and no outs??

Posted on 11/1/17 at 8:55 am to
Posted by Obi-Wan Tiger
Fulshear TX
Member since Jan 2004
6929 posts
Posted on 11/1/17 at 8:55 am to
Didn't he lay down a successful bunt in game 2?
Posted by ShaneTheLegLechler
Member since Dec 2011
60233 posts
Posted on 11/1/17 at 8:57 am to
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He had a better chance of laying down a perfect bunt than getting a hit


He or McCann are still out on a perfect bunt. They're both slow as frick
Posted by LSUBoo
Knoxville, TN
Member since Mar 2006
101930 posts
Posted on 11/1/17 at 8:59 am to
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Didn't he lay down a successful bunt in game 2?



Yeah, but sacrificing a decently fast Reddick from 1st to 2nd is a lot easier than laying down a bunt good enough to score super slow McCann from 3rd.

Honestly the odds are probably higher for Verlander getting lucky and finding a hole than dropping down a perfect squeeze bunt.
Posted by RedPop4
Santiago de Compostela
Member since Jan 2005
14427 posts
Posted on 11/1/17 at 9:05 am to
quote:

quote: "I doubt Verlander has attempted 5 bunts his whole life, including the MLB, minor leagues, high school, and grade school."

well this is the dumbest shite I've seen posted on MSB
So hard. Ignorant, but edgy.

12 year AL veteran, likely played in DH-dominant baseball before getting to the AL. Remember, in the minors, the only time pitchers hit is when playing in a NL-affiliated team's ballpark. High schools use the DH, too, I believe.

Your post is dumber.
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278778 posts
Posted on 11/1/17 at 9:07 am to
He's played thru inter league play. He was likely a hitter in HS as well. He's prob bunted a ball many many times. Much more than 5. Cmon
Posted by ShaneTheLegLechler
Member since Dec 2011
60233 posts
Posted on 11/1/17 at 9:09 am to
Verlander has put down 10 sac bunts in his MLB career. It's possible to look these things up
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278778 posts
Posted on 11/1/17 at 9:09 am to
Just looked it up, he has 10 career sac bunts
Posted by Obi-Wan Tiger
Fulshear TX
Member since Jan 2004
6929 posts
Posted on 11/1/17 at 9:11 am to
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Yeah, but sacrificing a decently fast Reddick from 1st to 2nd is a lot easier than laying down a bunt good enough to score super slow McCann from 3rd.


I don't disagree. Just countering some posts above saying he can't/doesn't know to bunt.

Guy that called into one of the talk shows suggested that Gattis should have hit for Reddick right then and that that was a better option than doing it later with a runner on first and Gattis being a double play threat.
Posted by RedPop4
Santiago de Compostela
Member since Jan 2005
14427 posts
Posted on 11/1/17 at 9:14 am to
Justin Verlander stats.

10 bunts/SH (sacrifice hits) in regular season play. 1 in post-season play. Guy's not far off, it's not as if he's doing it every five days all season long for 13 seasons. Then with everything on the line, and an ice-wagon catcher (who IS a good player, just slow) on third base, expect him to lay down a squeeze play.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
20539 posts
Posted on 11/1/17 at 9:16 am to
Is it not normal for pitchers to practice bunting regularly? I thought it used to be? Not freaking hard to hit the cage for 5 minutes a week to lay down 20 bunts. Yes, even American League guys should be practicing.

If a guy making $10 mil can't lay down a damn bunt with any sort of reliable as his only means of hitting, that's pathetic.
This post was edited on 11/1/17 at 9:17 am
Posted by LSUBoo
Knoxville, TN
Member since Mar 2006
101930 posts
Posted on 11/1/17 at 9:41 am to
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. Remember, in the minors, the only time pitchers hit is when playing in a NL-affiliated team's ballpark.


All levels lower than AA use the DH regardless, and AA and AAA use the DH unless both teams are NL affiliated teams, park doesn't matter. So a pitcher coming up in an AL system would never bat in the minors.
Posted by Undertow
Member since Sep 2016
7341 posts
Posted on 11/1/17 at 11:01 am to
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well this is the dumbest shite I've seen posted on MSB


Really?? I was off on the specific number...but really? You think Verlander should have bunted?
Posted by mgdtiger
Member since May 2006
2859 posts
Posted on 11/1/17 at 12:11 pm to
It would be a waste. If he does bunt it perfectly, MCcann would have to take off on contact. He wouldn't have time to see if it is perfect or not. You are risking getting McCann thrown out for being slow, and only getting Verlander to 1st. You have Springer up next who just hit a HR. Reddick screwed it all up.
Posted by RedPop4
Santiago de Compostela
Member since Jan 2005
14427 posts
Posted on 11/1/17 at 1:38 pm to
I didn't realize it (the DH) was that pervasive in the professional leagues. My only experience is Zephyrs' games over the years.
Posted by BigPapiDoesItAgain
Amérique du Nord
Member since Nov 2009
2801 posts
Posted on 11/1/17 at 4:06 pm to
Do people really think bunting is easy, especially bunting against major league pitching? And to top it off, only chance of scoring in the situation OP is referencing is runner going with pitch, and are you going to trust your pitcher to get the ball on the ground, far enough away from the plate to not get the runner out? No thanks. Maybe get lucky he slaps a ball in play, or you get a passed ball, avoid a disaster and move on to the next hitter.

Bunting against a BP pitcher throwing 60 mph straight balls = easy enough for these guys, bunting in real life against a capable pitcher that throws hard and has secondary pitches is an advanced skill.

That was just the wrong time for the pitchers spot to come up. Happens like that over in the NL, I hate it, but that's how it goes.
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