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re: Where would you rank Larry Bird all time?
Posted on 6/7/22 at 3:21 pm to grizzlylongcut
Posted on 6/7/22 at 3:21 pm to grizzlylongcut
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Nobody gaf about his EFG% or TS%
These stats are how scoring efficiency is measured bubba, they are simple calculations that take into consideration that a 3 pointer is worth 3 and a two pointer is worth 2. And they also say that Bron > Larry when it comes to scoring efficiently.
You may have an argument when it comes to league adjusted #s but that is probably a little too advanced for you.
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Posted on 6/7/22 at 3:24 pm to Bronc
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Larry Bird averaged .7 3PM per game. I would love an explanation for how you have contorted yourself into thinking that because Larry Bird managed a slightly higher percentage on one type of shot he made less than once per game, that somehow makes him an overall more efficient player than the guy who in basically every aggregate statistical category for scoring, was superior?
Because you're asserting that LeBron is a superior scorer than probably the 2nd or 3rd best scorer in basketball history. It's downright ridiculous.
This post was edited on 6/7/22 at 3:26 pm
Posted on 6/7/22 at 3:30 pm to grizzlylongcut
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Nobody gaf about his EFG%
Yet you say this
quote:EFG% takes the type of shot into consideration you absolute moron. That’s the entire point of it
I wonder why LeBron's FG% is higher as well? Could it be that his style of play leads to a higher percentage?
Posted on 6/7/22 at 3:42 pm to ThePTExperience1969
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Difference between bad playoffs/series/finals and meltdowns where a player looks like a bum or scared of the moment
Tell me you didnt actually watch Larry Bird without actually telling me you didnt watch Larry Bird.....
Example: 1983, 56 win Celtics. Larry Bird has a bottom 10 TS% amongst ALL players that postseason, in the ECF, where they get swept, Larry Bird drops across the board, is turning the ball over left and right, is the least efficient starter, the best the team looks all series is game 3 where Bird sits out. In game 4 Bird is getting schooled by Moncrief and Johnson, turns the ball over 6 times, game is basically over by halftime. The first time in Celtics history the Celtics were swept in a series.
I'm not trying to shite on Bird, but he was human just like Lebron has been in the playoffs. Both have had some notable struggles, but also had unbelievable runs and wins...Lebron has just done it more, and more efficiently. Which is why he gets the nod over Bird and all but certainly will when history is written.
This post was edited on 6/7/22 at 3:45 pm
Posted on 6/7/22 at 4:10 pm to SlickRickerz
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1. Jordan 2. Shaq 3. Bird 4. Kobe 5. Magic 6. Kareem 8. Duncan 9. AI 10. LeBum I conducted my top 10 on raw talent and pure dominance, somebody you would pick on a video game to make a “super team.” I’m not factoring playoff wins or finals wins
You lost me at AI. Also Duncan>Kobe
Posted on 6/7/22 at 4:20 pm to lsudepression
top 7-10
Posted on 6/7/22 at 4:46 pm to Bronc
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Example: 1983, 56 win Celtics. Larry Bird has a bottom 10 TS% amongst ALL players that postseason, in the ECF, where they get swept, Larry Bird drops across the board, is turning the ball over left and right, is the least efficient starter, the best the team looks all series is game 3 where Bird sits out. In game 4 Bird is getting schooled by Moncrief and Johnson, turns the ball over 6 times, game is basically over by halftime. The first time in Celtics history the Celtics were swept in a series.
Literally nobody except naysayers remember this series as a defining fail in Bird’s career especially when we remember the Celtics took a step back from their 82 team and barely beat the Hawks in the first round miniseries.
Posted on 6/7/22 at 5:10 pm to ThePTExperience1969
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Literally nobody except naysayers remember this series as a defining fail in Bird’s career especially when we remember the Celtics took a step back from their 82 team and barely beat the Hawks in the first round miniseries.
It wasnt his only year with notable struggles my man....
Posted on 6/7/22 at 5:18 pm to slackster
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It’s going to ruffle the feathers of a lot of folks on here, and I’m no fan of him off the court, but LeBron is better than Bird. I think Larry is easily top 5 though, and is probably #3.
Of course. LeBron has been widely considered the 2nd best player of all time since 2013. The only people would ever argue Bird over Bron are people who hate LeBron for his politics.
Posted on 6/7/22 at 5:36 pm to Bronc
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It wasnt his only year with notable struggles my man....
WTF
Posted on 6/7/22 at 5:44 pm to grizzlylongcut
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Because you're asserting that LeBron is a superior scorer than probably the 2nd or 3rd best scorer in basketball history. It's downright ridiculous.
By what metric is Bird a better scorer than LeBron.
Posted on 6/7/22 at 5:55 pm to SlickRickerz
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2. Shaq
Posted on 6/7/22 at 6:18 pm to lsudepression
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Where would you rank Larry Bird all time?
Would definitely have to be behind Nadal, Federer, and the Joker.
Posted on 6/7/22 at 6:27 pm to SlickRickerz
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4. Kobe
Posted on 6/7/22 at 6:31 pm to Hot Carl
Surprised no one has pointed out that buddy made a top 10 with only 9 players.
Posted on 6/7/22 at 7:37 pm to QJenk
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LeBron has been widely considered the 2nd best player of all time since 2013. The only people would ever argue Bird over Bron are people who hate LeBron for his politics.
-Consistently mediocre free-throw shooter by NBA superstar standards
-stopped playing defense after Miami
-doesn’t have a reliable long-range game in the 3-point age
-melted down in big moments almost as many times as he thrived
For an all-time great, those aren’t good traits to have if you want to be considered superior to other greats
Posted on 6/7/22 at 7:57 pm to ThePTExperience1969
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Consistently mediocre free-throw shooter by NBA superstar standards
Congrats. You have highlighted his only weakness. Even still, he's not what you would call a liability, in the effect of you have never in your life heard of hack-a-James
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stopped playing defense after Miami
Lies. In Miami he was DPOY level. Up until this year, he's still been consistently above average on D, picking up his intensity in the playoffs. Up until this year, there has never been a point where a team's game-plan was to attack LeBron.
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doesn’t have a reliable long-range game in the 3-point age
36% isn't reliable from 3? He's not Steph Curry or Buddy Shield from 3. But he's definitely above league average from there.
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melted down in big moments almost as many times as he thrived
Name a superstar, besides Jordan, who has not melted down and had a terrible game in the playoffs.
Posted on 6/7/22 at 8:36 pm to QJenk
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Congrats. You have highlighted his only weakness. Even still, he's not what you would call a liability, in the effect of you have never in your life heard of hack-a-James
If I'm going to be convinced about an argument that LeBron's better than another all-time great, him shooting 15 whole percentage points lower than Bird at one of the most important aspects of the sport isn't helping. Moreover, as Skip Bayless has noted many times, LeBron runs from the foul line in crunch time.
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Up until this year, he's still been consistently above average on D, picking up his intensity in the playoffs.
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Lies.
How on Earth am I supposed to believe LeBron's better than an all-time great when his defensive win shares rank in the 30s or lower and his defensive rating is even worse? I thought he was supposed to be this great all-around player and all.
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36% isn't reliable from 3? He's not Steph Curry or Buddy Shield from 3. But he's definitely above league average from there.
LeBron has been below average at this aspect of the game FOR YEARS
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Name a superstar, besides Jordan, who has not melted down and had a terrible game in the playoffs.
I can't name many where it was multiple instances and it defined him as much as his great wins, him getting sonned by Cameron Payne last year doesn't even begin to scratch the surface.
This post was edited on 6/7/22 at 9:10 pm
Posted on 6/7/22 at 8:42 pm to lsudepression
Yea top 3-5
Posted on 6/7/22 at 9:55 pm to ThePTExperience1969
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If I'm going to be convinced about an argument that LeBron's better than another all-time great, him shooting 15 whole percentage points lower than Bird at one of the most important aspects of the sport isn't helping. Moreover, as Skip Bayless has noted many times, LeBron runs from the foul line in crunch time.
I never stated LeBron was the greatest free throw shooter of all-time. Larry is elite from the foul line. I wont dispute that. But if free throws are your metric, then Curry is the true GOAT. He's much better from the line than Jordan after all.
Also, if you are using Skip Bayless to support your argument, your argument is trash.
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defensive win shares
You don't want to go to advanced analytics. That won't support your argument in the long run
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LeBron has been below average at this aspect of the game FOR YEARS
LeBron hasn't been below average from 3 since his early Cleveland days
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can't name many where it was multiple instances and it defined him as much as his great wins
LeBron has easily had more great games in the playoffs than terrible games.
But for the record, I'm not hating on Bird in the least bit. I love Larry. He is one of the top 5 players to ever step on a court, imo.
But where exactly are you ranking LeBron? Just wondering
This post was edited on 6/7/22 at 9:58 pm
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