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re: Where would you rank Larry Bird all time?
Posted on 6/7/22 at 12:59 pm to lsudepression
Posted on 6/7/22 at 12:59 pm to lsudepression
1. Jordan
2. Bron
3. KAJ
4. Wilt
5. Magic
6. Bird
7. Bill Russell
8. Shaq
9. Durant
10. Big O
11. Duncan
12. Curry
13. Hakeem
14. Kobe
15. Dr J
2. Bron
3. KAJ
4. Wilt
5. Magic
6. Bird
7. Bill Russell
8. Shaq
9. Durant
10. Big O
11. Duncan
12. Curry
13. Hakeem
14. Kobe
15. Dr J
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Posted on 6/7/22 at 1:15 pm to slackster
Lebron, PFFT , don't even put anyone in the, carry the ball, take three steps, era in the list. He would have been Scotty Pippen level at best without all the new bullshite rules.
Posted on 6/7/22 at 1:16 pm to ThePTExperience1969
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and some bad meltdowns in the playoffs
Did you ever watch Larry Bird? He had some BAD playoffs/series/finals.
To claim that is a fault of Lebron but not Larry brings into question if you actually followed Bird's career close enough to actually make this judgement?
Posted on 6/7/22 at 1:24 pm to Bronc
quote:
Did you ever watch Larry Bird? He had some BAD playoffs/series/finals.
Yep, Bird is my favorite player of all time, but he had a poor 1985 Finals and his performance against the Pistons in 88 was really really bad too.
Posted on 6/7/22 at 1:24 pm to lsudepression
Even Bird pre NBA, took little mid major Indiana State Sycamores to a 33-1 record in the 78-79 season.
Losing to Magic Johnson's Michigan State team in the National Championship final.
Indiana State hasn't been ranked in the top 25 since Bird left in 79.
Losing to Magic Johnson's Michigan State team in the National Championship final.
Indiana State hasn't been ranked in the top 25 since Bird left in 79.
Posted on 6/7/22 at 1:39 pm to Tigerfan56
quote:
most of his peers would rank James ahead of Bird.
Go ahead and believe this
Posted on 6/7/22 at 1:42 pm to RedHawk
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Yep, Bird is my favorite player of all time, but he had a poor 1985 Finals and his performance against the Pistons in 88 was really really bad too.
Yep, and 80-83 Bird basically played worse across the board throughout the playoffs and/or finals and mostly hovered around the low 40's percentage wise, 46ish TS%. Got abused by guys like Dr J in 80. Most of his counting stats dipped and was outplayed by his own teammates in their 81 title series.
84 and 86 were incredible post season runs, like some of the best performances in history, 87 incredibly admirable as well.
Bird has some major post season ups and downs. There were times his teams had to carry him, and at times when he looked like the clear best player in the league. Times he crapped the bed, and times he came through in BIG ways.
This post was edited on 6/7/22 at 1:45 pm
Posted on 6/7/22 at 2:09 pm to lsudepression
maybe at # 20, if that
Posted on 6/7/22 at 2:16 pm to Bronc
quote:
Did you ever watch Larry Bird? He had some BAD playoffs/series/finals.
Difference between bad playoffs/series/finals and meltdowns where a player looks like a bum or scared of the moment
Posted on 6/7/22 at 2:21 pm to ThePTExperience1969
3rd or 4th, depending on how you want to weigh it.
Jordan, Bill Russell are the top. Then Kareem and Larry. Magic, Duncan, Wilt, and LeBron are the next group; Moses, Shaq, Haquim, Stockton, and Kobe are the 3rd tier.
Within each tier, how you want to stack is mostly quibbling about what matters more-- numbers, longevity, pioneering in the game, or titles.
Jordan, Bill Russell are the top. Then Kareem and Larry. Magic, Duncan, Wilt, and LeBron are the next group; Moses, Shaq, Haquim, Stockton, and Kobe are the 3rd tier.
Within each tier, how you want to stack is mostly quibbling about what matters more-- numbers, longevity, pioneering in the game, or titles.
Posted on 6/7/22 at 2:31 pm to BoardReader
He was slow and about as nonathletic as a shooter gets. But he was skilled and intuitive and he rode that horse as far as he could. Health was never his friend and cut his career far, far, too short.
Just not a top 10 player in a league that had so many freaky great players.
Just not a top 10 player in a league that had so many freaky great players.
Posted on 6/7/22 at 2:42 pm to lsudepression
I’ll take peak Larry bird on any iteration of an all time starting top 5 and feel great about it.
Posted on 6/7/22 at 2:49 pm to lsudepression
1)MJ
2/3) Bird and Lebron
2/3) Bird and Lebron
Posted on 6/7/22 at 2:50 pm to lsudepression
I'd like the morons in this thread ranking Kobe top 10 all-time to justify that position. Is he top 10 in VORP/BPM/or any of the win share statistics?
Posted on 6/7/22 at 2:50 pm to Tigerfan56
quote:a significant % of current and former nba players would say kobe is better than lebron. they are not to be taken seriously.
most of his peers would rank James ahead of Bird.
Posted on 6/7/22 at 2:53 pm to lsudepression
1.Jordan
2.LeBron
3.Kareem
4.Magic
5.Russell
6.Wilt
7.Kobe
8.Duncan
9.Bird
10.Shaq
2.LeBron
3.Kareem
4.Magic
5.Russell
6.Wilt
7.Kobe
8.Duncan
9.Bird
10.Shaq
Posted on 6/7/22 at 2:59 pm to Bronc
quote:
I mean Lebron got to the line more and made more per game, Bird a higher percentage.
So if Bird made a higher percentage, would it not stand to reason that he is the better free throw shooter?
quote:
But remember when I listed for you EFG% and TS% and you handwaved it as "boom" or something?
I said "Boom" because you pulled bullshite stats that only analytic dweebs care about. Aka, the poster Boomshockalacka. Nobody gaf about his EFG% or TS%
quote:
How is playing the game and scoring more efficiently a negative exactly?
Well wait a minute, I thought that the 3 point is the most efficient way to play the game nowadays? If Bird has a much higher 3 point percentage, would that not stand to reason that he was a more efficient ball player?
This post was edited on 6/7/22 at 3:16 pm
Posted on 6/7/22 at 3:12 pm to grizzlylongcut
If I was starting a team and could have Bird or Lebron I would take Bird..and would beat whoever took Lebron
Posted on 6/7/22 at 3:15 pm to lsudepression
He’s my favorite player of all time. One of the best ever.
Posted on 6/7/22 at 3:19 pm to grizzlylongcut
quote:
I said "Boom" because you pulled bull shite stats that only analytic dweebs care about.
quote:
Well wait a minute, I thought that the 3 point is the most efficient way to play the game nowadays? If Bird has a much higher 3 point percentage, would that not stand to reason that he was a more efficient ball player?
I'm increasingly getting the impression you are a moron....
Larry Bird averaged .7 3PM per game. I would love an explanation for how you have contorted yourself into thinking that because Larry Bird managed a slightly higher percentage on one type of shot he made less than once per game, that somehow makes him an overall more efficient player than the guy who in basically every aggregate statistical category for scoring, was superior?
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