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Posted on 9/15/21 at 7:51 pm to TexasTiger08
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Where are all the great CFB coaches?
Why are you so concern about them? Is it that you are trying to find one for LSU if Orgeron gets fired?
Posted on 9/15/21 at 8:00 pm to TexasTiger08
The answer really is Saban
Posted on 9/15/21 at 8:28 pm to Bama Bird
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Exactly. Tom Osborne won 9-10 games from 22 years before winning a championship. Now, there are actual movements to fire both Jim Harbaugh and Dan Mullen who are winning 9-10 games a year. Saban has completely warped AD's (and fans') frame of reference
Eh, Osborne’s 9-10 win seasons are not the same as Harbaugh or Mullen. Osborne did that with fewer games per year. Osborne coached 21 years before winning a title, but finished in the top 10 in 15 of those seasons, never won fewer than 9 and never lost more than 3.
Mullen and Harbaugh are good, but not on that level
Posted on 9/15/21 at 9:33 pm to TexasTiger08
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The well just seems a bit dry. Maybe it has to do with the evolution of the game.
Fewer active coaches have won national titles now than probably since the late years of Bear Bryant. There’s a common theme now. If there wasn’t a Nick Saban right now, you’d have the wealth spread around a lot more and those other coaches would be held in higher regard
This post was edited on 9/15/21 at 9:34 pm
Posted on 9/15/21 at 9:56 pm to usc6158
Art Briles
Posted on 9/15/21 at 10:07 pm to Cfrobel
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Can you imagine if a coached today pulled what Osborne did in the Orange Bowl and then took 11 more years to win a title...
To be fair, coaching at Nebraska, maybe they knew then they were done after him.
Coaching at somewhere that can be rebuilt quickly, you wouldn’t get that leeway
Posted on 9/16/21 at 8:24 am to Gatorbait2008
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The answer really is Saban
The answer is really the playoff or bust mentality of college football. Florida not being in the playoff since 2008 is on Florida. The barn and LSU have been to 2 NC games since then. Even Georgia has been to one.
The SEC has developed a short tolerance for not making the playoff.
For example: How many current SEC head coaches have at least one win against coach Nick Saban at Alabama?
One and he's on a short leash in BR.
Posted on 9/16/21 at 8:38 am to TexasTiger08
It's a Highlander effect
When you convert the sport into a more national event with a playoff and one champion you consolidate success into fewer programs. 30 years ago you could have two or three teams finishing with similar credentials and more than one relevant organization declaring a championship.
The AP and Coaches polls gave away the appearance of relevance. We are seeing the consequences of the sport converting from a regular season to a postseason emphasized sport.
When you convert the sport into a more national event with a playoff and one champion you consolidate success into fewer programs. 30 years ago you could have two or three teams finishing with similar credentials and more than one relevant organization declaring a championship.
The AP and Coaches polls gave away the appearance of relevance. We are seeing the consequences of the sport converting from a regular season to a postseason emphasized sport.
Posted on 9/19/21 at 5:38 pm to TexasTiger08
Its really disheartening and has ruined the sport.
Parity is a MUST for sports to survive and be POPULAR across a broad spectrum unless you just want to make it regional like College Hockey where most people don't give a shite because same ol' teams.
Saban came in at the right time...a vacuum. Now CFB is mostly only popular in one region of the country because of him.
In the 80's you had:
Barry Swizter
JoePa
Bobby Bowden
Bo
Tom Osborne
Dooley
Jimmy Johnson
Lou Holtz
All winning National Titles (well except for Tom but his teams were ranked #1 quite a few years heading into Bowl games.) And Bo.
Parity, you need it. Sport is stale for lack of good coaches.
Parity is a MUST for sports to survive and be POPULAR across a broad spectrum unless you just want to make it regional like College Hockey where most people don't give a shite because same ol' teams.
Saban came in at the right time...a vacuum. Now CFB is mostly only popular in one region of the country because of him.
In the 80's you had:
Barry Swizter
JoePa
Bobby Bowden
Bo
Tom Osborne
Dooley
Jimmy Johnson
Lou Holtz
All winning National Titles (well except for Tom but his teams were ranked #1 quite a few years heading into Bowl games.) And Bo.
Parity, you need it. Sport is stale for lack of good coaches.
This post was edited on 9/19/21 at 5:39 pm
Posted on 9/19/21 at 5:52 pm to Gatorbait2008
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The answer really is Saban
Will Mullen get a second chance to beat Saban if both teams meet again in the SEC championship?
Posted on 9/19/21 at 5:57 pm to TexasTiger08
The old bowl system created lots of "great" coaches. They weren't really great. They were good enough to beat the other teams in their conference.
The CFB Playoff has made college football just like the NFL. Only one team wins their final game. At least from among the games that matter.
In the past, coaches were given longer to get a program to the point where it's winning enough games to satisfy fans. Too much money is involved now to let them learn on the job. That's never been more true than right now. A couple of bad years could cost a current P5 team their slot at the big boy trough.
The rich will only get richer, and everyone else will have to fend for themselves. A more divided D1 might actually make the game more fun for the have nots. Once everything settles, it might end the desire of the G5 fans wanting their team to jump to another conference.
The CFB Playoff has made college football just like the NFL. Only one team wins their final game. At least from among the games that matter.
In the past, coaches were given longer to get a program to the point where it's winning enough games to satisfy fans. Too much money is involved now to let them learn on the job. That's never been more true than right now. A couple of bad years could cost a current P5 team their slot at the big boy trough.
The rich will only get richer, and everyone else will have to fend for themselves. A more divided D1 might actually make the game more fun for the have nots. Once everything settles, it might end the desire of the G5 fans wanting their team to jump to another conference.
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