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Posted on 7/16/17 at 2:14 pm to Paul Allen
quote:greatest highlights of all time. Not the greatest RB of all time.
Some of the highlights look like a video game, if not, more spectacular. I understand the greatness that we've seen from Sayers, Payton, Brown, E. Smith, A. Peterson, Faulk and several others. But, is anyone in the same class as Barry Sanders?
Posted on 7/16/17 at 2:15 pm to SuperSaint
If I had to take 1 of those I'd take Emmitt I want a guy who is able to wear you down and keep my horrible defense off the field. It's why teams do +5 -5 drills
If I had all 90's RB I take Waters or Faulk because was able to play Slot also
If I had all 90's RB I take Waters or Faulk because was able to play Slot also
This post was edited on 7/16/17 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 7/16/17 at 2:23 pm to sms151t
quote:Sims was a great player, but this is one of the most ridiculous stances you've made.
Sanders is not even best 20 to play RB in Detroit
He has 1/3 the total yards and 0.5 fewer yards per carry in half the career length.
Peak Sims was never as good as good as peak Barry. In fact, Sims only had one seasons with a YPC that wasn't lower than Barry's career average. And obviously Barry's career dwarfs his.
You have to be kidding about this all. This is GoldenNugget level bad.
This post was edited on 7/16/17 at 2:24 pm
Posted on 7/16/17 at 2:27 pm to Paul Allen
Because Sanders had just as many no gains as he did big plays. Jim Brown is TGOAT
Posted on 7/16/17 at 2:27 pm to SuperSaint
BS
Posted on 7/16/17 at 2:33 pm to Paul Allen
Ahman Green
Posted on 7/16/17 at 2:38 pm to Paul Allen
Sorry but if you premise..."Watching Barry Sanders highlights, how does one justify a better back." Then yeah, you're probably right.
Sanders is the highlight king.
But that's not a game. That's not a game. That's highlights. You are just seeing some cool moves or a big run.
You're not seeing the back on every down. You're not seeing zero yards, negative yards, etc.
Going to Youtube to make an argument from the past? Anybody can do that. I can show you Bo highlights with the Raiders or Tony Dorsett (he ran downhill) and Bo ran over and around you.
But you have to watch the man and in a full game and in his full career. Not some Youtube highlights and then think you know the real player.
Sanders is the highlight king.
But that's not a game. That's not a game. That's highlights. You are just seeing some cool moves or a big run.
You're not seeing the back on every down. You're not seeing zero yards, negative yards, etc.
Going to Youtube to make an argument from the past? Anybody can do that. I can show you Bo highlights with the Raiders or Tony Dorsett (he ran downhill) and Bo ran over and around you.
But you have to watch the man and in a full game and in his full career. Not some Youtube highlights and then think you know the real player.
This post was edited on 7/16/17 at 2:40 pm
Posted on 7/16/17 at 2:41 pm to Paul Allen
Sanders was amazing, and you can definitely make an intelligent argument for him being tGOAT.
That being said, he #1 all-time in rushes for loss and total yards lost. And contrary to the myth that has arisen after his retirement, he played behind some damn good OLs.
His flaw was that he danced, a lot, looking for the big run. And it cost his team games at times, especially as he was an unusually poor short yardage back.
That being said, he #1 all-time in rushes for loss and total yards lost. And contrary to the myth that has arisen after his retirement, he played behind some damn good OLs.
His flaw was that he danced, a lot, looking for the big run. And it cost his team games at times, especially as he was an unusually poor short yardage back.
Posted on 7/16/17 at 2:50 pm to airfernando
quote:
You're overstating him dancing. He had no choice. He had to dance. He had to juke. He had no choice. What all time great rbs had equally awful olines and mediocre qbs?
Sanders had at least 1 pro-bowl OL in 8 of his 10 seasons and a total of 3 pro-bowl linemen in his career. Based on advanced metrics by PFF, Detroit had a top-10 OL in 7 of his 10 seasons and top-5 in 3 of them.
Detroit's problem was quarterback play and back 7 on defense.
Posted on 7/16/17 at 2:54 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
quote:
You just can't lose yards in football - that's a cardinal sin - for a running back. Always be going forward. But Barry was a maestro so he gambled too much in sandlot shite.
This keeps being mentioned so I did the best I could to find out. Went to Pro Football Ref and looked for all rushing plays that went for -1 yards or less. The data only goes back to 1994 so we're missing 5 years of Sanders and 4 years of Emmitt.
quote:
Curtis Martin 377 -823
Marshall Faulk 374 -838
Emmitt Smith 351 -771
Corey Dillon 321 -755
Adrian Peterson 318 -691
Eddie George 307 -586
LaDainian Tomlinson 306 -641
Warrick Dunn 304 -600
Steven Jackson 298 -631
Frank Gore 293 -580
Jerome Bettis 291 -570
Edgerrin James 288 -553
Chris Johnson 279 -663
Tiki Barber 266 -557
Barry Sanders 261 -627
That's basically just a list of the best running backs over the last 20 years.
Posted on 7/16/17 at 2:59 pm to SuperSaint
Nm
This post was edited on 7/16/17 at 3:00 pm
Posted on 7/16/17 at 3:03 pm to sms151t
quote:
Sanders is not even best 20 to play RB in Detroit
I assume you mean Billy Sims, who was a great running back, but he only play 4 1/2 seasons. Sims averaged 4.5 YPC, Sanders averaged 5 and only had 3 seasons at or below 4.5 YPC in 10 years 1 4.5 and 2 4.3. Sims had 2 in 4 1/2 years including 1 under 4.
Sorry, you're wrong.
Posted on 7/16/17 at 3:53 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:
And it cost his team games at times, especially as he was an unusually poor short yardage back.
It was terrible in fantasy league at the time.
Everyone complained about him and every year someone took him.
He'd break off a 30 yard run get caught from behind at the 5-yard line and then he would get stuffed and the Lions would move onto other options for 2nd and 3rd down. You never got the payoff with Sanders.
This post was edited on 7/16/17 at 3:55 pm
Posted on 7/16/17 at 3:56 pm to airfernando
quote:
You're overstating him dancing. He had no choice.
No.
He wasn't a disciplined runner. You shouldn't have to pretend that Sanders was something other than what he was to recognize his greatness.
Posted on 7/16/17 at 4:16 pm to SuperSaint
quote:
If ES and BS would have completely traded places, you feel ES would have still had better career numbers?
I don't know.
People knock Emmitt as much as they extol Barry because of lines this vs. line that.
True Emmitt played on awesome teams.
But he was a very efficient back regardless. He was always slinking through the line and falling forward.
Marcus Allen did that as well. Turn the body sideways and slip and slide for 5 yards, be great goal line backs (Barry sucked) - Allen and Payton were the best.
Just always be accentuating what the defense is giving but going forward. Always be going for the precious yards.
Barry didn't want to be touched. People say he was so humble. Humble guys don't think every play is gonna be a homerun. He wanted the highlight reel and you could see it - I watched his whole career. Every handoff was a big production - left and right and back and forward. I never just saw him take a handoff and gain a 2 yards on an easy dive in to the middle. Just help your team.
You can look up Tony Dorsett and he used to be the most creative dancer before Sanders...
But Tom Landry told him to knock that shite off - and run North and South and then Dorsett became a downhill runner, faster but with the same type juke moves of Sanders. But he used them more effectively than Sanders 3-4 cuts, shimmies, downhill racer. Sanders was always too much East to West.
Not knocking his top 5 talent. But his highlight reels get overplayed compared to reality of running backs and what wins games.
This post was edited on 7/16/17 at 4:17 pm
Posted on 7/16/17 at 4:24 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
quote:
I never just saw him take a handoff and gain a 2 yards on an easy dive in to the middle. Just help your team.
LINK
First play of this game... two yards right up the middle.
A lot of your analysis is garbage. He didn't want this or that, like you have any idea what was in his head. This guy was always falling forward, Barry didn't want precious yards. All of that is just your opinion and you have no way to back any of it up.
Posted on 7/16/17 at 4:39 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
quote:
You can look up Tony Dorsett and he used to be the most creative dancer before Sanders...
But Tom Landry told him to knock that shite off - and run North and South and then Dorsett became a downhill runner, faster but with the same type juke moves of Sanders. But he used them more effectively than Sanders 3-4 cuts, shimmies, downhill racer. Sanders was always too much East to West.
Not knocking his top 5 talent. But his highlight reels get overplayed compared to reality of running backs and what wins games.
So wrong it's opposite. It's why TD didn't start initially. Landry wanted him to stop going wide but after a game in St Louis he saw him extend play by continuing to looking to bounce it. Landry didn't start Dorsett initially because of it.
This post was edited on 7/16/17 at 4:40 pm
Posted on 7/16/17 at 4:39 pm to Paul Allen
The best running back ever is Walter Payton.
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