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re: When watching Barry Sanders' highlights, how does one justify a better RB than him?
Posted on 7/16/17 at 5:11 pm to Paul Allen
Posted on 7/16/17 at 5:11 pm to Paul Allen
Sanders only played 153 career games. That justifies several as better in a respective context.
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Posted on 7/16/17 at 5:44 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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And when he got that breakaway he would way too often get tackled at the 5-yard line.
This statement is ridiculous
Posted on 7/16/17 at 5:51 pm to Paul Allen
His highlights are the best in NFL history.
He wouldn't be the first back I'd take when starting a team, though. Saw him play plenty.
He wouldn't be the first back I'd take when starting a team, though. Saw him play plenty.
Posted on 7/16/17 at 5:53 pm to JoeHackett
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That's basically just a list of the best running backs over the last 20 years.
One thing about having that mantle of "most all time negative yardage" is that you had to be good enough to keep getting put in games over a long period of time in order to hold that title and amass all those negative yards. It's kind of like how Brett Favre is the all time leader in interceptions, and Peyton Manning and Dan Marino are both top ten all time. If they really sucked then they wouldn't be around long enough to keep throwing the interceptions to amass those totals.
A better stat might be percentage of runs to go for negative yardage, with some kind of carry minimum. And I have no idea what that would show.
This post was edited on 7/16/17 at 5:54 pm
Posted on 7/16/17 at 5:54 pm to moneyg
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He wasn't a disciplined runner. You shouldn't have to pretend that Sanders was something other than what he was to recognize his greatness.
Wayne Fontes overlooked this. Bobby Ross didn't. Sanders was more or less notorious for passing up a 5 yard gain trying to get a home run play
Posted on 7/16/17 at 6:05 pm to EmperorGout
Surprised this thread has gotten 3 pages without someone mentioning Sanders' playoff game against Green Bay where he had 12 carries for -1 yard
Posted on 7/16/17 at 6:10 pm to IgotKINGfisherSpeed
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And when he got that breakaway he would way too often get tackled at the 5-yard line.
This statement is ridiculous
Holy shite, it happened all the time you dumb frick liar.
I had him fantasy in the 90's when you were a zygot and this shite...hell Barry always got chased down by and large compared to his peers.
Everyone thinks he was OJ or some speedster...bullshite...he was a stocky midget that would break off a big run and then tackled...always before the promise land.
WE ALL COMPLAINED ABOUT IT!!!!!!!
So either you weren't alive in the 90's to be smart enough analyze football or you are another joke YouTube watcher. Who thinks 5 minutes of YouTube is watching someone's career.
Because otherwise - you are a total fricking liar...and never really watched 16 games a year of Sanders career like I did. You're just a johnny come lately fan who knows absolute nothing...but hey, you have a computer.
Posted on 7/16/17 at 6:45 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
In full disclosure I too owned Barry Sanders in fantasy back when you used to the newspaper to score your games so I can back Mizz up on this 100%
Posted on 7/16/17 at 6:47 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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It's easy to get seduced by Sanders because he was and looks amazing in highlight reels. Because that's what they show you - the highlights.
They don't show you all the negative yards he lost dancing back there...Barry always wanted the homerun. And when he got that breakaway he would way too often get tackled at the 5-yard line.
If you were going with a back in the 90's for your fantasy team, you took Emmitt Smith. He had the yards and more importantly, the TDs.
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Barry was great but Emmitt was better
Posted on 7/16/17 at 7:01 pm to Paul Allen
Watch Jim Brown highlights. Far more impressive.
Posted on 7/16/17 at 8:12 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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Holy shite, it happened all the time you dumb frick liar.
I had him fantasy in the 90's when you were a zygot and this shite...hell Barry always got chased down by and large compared to his peers.
Everyone thinks he was OJ or some speedster...bullshitee...he was a stocky midget that would break off a big run and then tackled...always before the promise land.
WE ALL COMPLAINED ABOUT IT!!!!!!!
So either you weren't alive in the 90's to be smart enough analyze football or you are another joke YouTube watcher. Who thinks 5 minutes of YouTube is watching someone's career.
Because otherwise - you are a total fricking liar...and never really watched 16 games a year of Sanders career like I did. You're just a johnny come lately fan who knows absolute nothing...but hey, you have a computer.
LOLZ Mizz if I didn't see your username, I'd assume that was PEEJ publishing that statement. Contrary to what you all assume about me, I don't simply look at the stat sites when it comes to football. I've watched NFL Films videos/DVDs incessantly since I was 8-9, watch NFL Network religiously, and one of my favorite tv shows is the NFL Top 10 show. I've seen my fair share of Barry Sanders clips along with the others mentioned in this thread. It's evident: Barry's running style didn't translate to great consistency over a 16 game schedule, there were spectacular 200 yd performances and then there were putrid 40 yd or -1 yd games. Not too many TDs relative to Jim Brown, Emmitt, LaDainian or Marcus either.
Posted on 7/16/17 at 8:18 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Dumb doughy McDonald's eating milianials
Posted on 7/16/17 at 8:36 pm to Peazey
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It's kind of like how Brett Favre is the all time leader in interceptions, and Peyton Manning and Dan Marino are both top ten all time.
Brett Favre was an interception machine though: 17 INTs per year his entire career, basically 1 INT per game. Marino and Manning were better at avoiding INTs than Favre their entire careers but maintained such longevity like Favre that the INT number accrued to that point. However, they averaged 2-3 less INTs per year than Favre.
Posted on 7/16/17 at 8:50 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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If you were going with a back in the 90's for your fantasy team, you took Emmitt Smith. He had the yards and more importantly, the TDs.
Agreed, but that shite doesn't determine GOAT. Now way is ES the best of all-time. That's Barry in my opinion. I can understand others saying Jim Brown or Payton as well. I know it's always said but damn I would've loved to see Barry behind a line like Smith had.
Posted on 7/16/17 at 8:51 pm to Paul Allen
Barry Sanders, for the time he was playing was the best bar none. He was also quite smart to get out when he did.
Posted on 7/16/17 at 8:54 pm to kywildcatfanone
Barry Sanders is the leading single season punt returner in NCAA history. Also had good hands. He was woefully under utilized in Det. Imagine if he would've played for Andy Reid or Dick Vermiel.
This post was edited on 7/16/17 at 8:55 pm
Posted on 7/16/17 at 9:14 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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hell Barry always got chased down by and large compared to his peers.
From 1994-2002
Runs of over 45 yards (just Barry and Emmitt)
Barry 25 - 13TDs
Emmitt 6 - 2TDs
From 1994-2016
Runs of over 45 yards (all RBs)
Adrian Peterson 27 - 16TDs
Barry Sanders 25 - 13TDs
Chris Johnson 16 - 12TDs
LaDainian Tomlinson 16 - 6TDs
Tiki Barber 16 - 6TDs
Fred Taylor 15 - 14TDs
Warrick Dunn 15 - 7TDs
Jamaal Charles 14 - 8TDs
Frank Gore 14 - 6TDs
But I'm sure you remember it better than the numbers actually show.
Posted on 7/16/17 at 9:18 pm to Sho Nuff
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Agreed, but that shite doesn't determine GOAT. Now way is ES the best of all-time.
IDK about that, Emmitt was the most consistent back this side of Jim Brown in NFL history. The 2 surest 100 yds and 1 TD per game running backs ever. What differentiated Emmitt from Barry was Barry didn't possess such consistency like Emmitt or Jim did, they were exceptional north-south runners not too much dancing on the field whereas Barry wasn't great in short yardage situations. Emmitt ran and Emmitt scored, very methodical but it worked and he achieved. Like I've iterated prior: Barry was known for submitting spectacular 200 yd performances one week and then a 40 yard putrid game the next or maybe even a negative yard game. That's not an attribute running backs ought to have but that was credited to Barry's running style, boom or bust.
Posted on 7/16/17 at 9:21 pm to JoeHackett
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Runs of over 45 yards (just Barry and Emmitt)
Barry 25 - 13TDs
Emmitt 6 - 2TDs
Barry is among the greatest boom or bust running backs to ever exist, but Emmitt had a nose for the end zone that no one EVER could supplant. Jim Brown was the combination of these 2 attributes but more consistently dominant than Barry.
Posted on 7/16/17 at 9:26 pm to Sho Nuff
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I would've loved to see Barry behind a line like Smith had.
Well, hopefully Barry wouldn't dance as much as he did in Detroit behind 3 Pro Bowl OLs but that was his running style haha
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