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re: Whats up with all the Mahomes/Brady GOAT comparisons.
Posted on 2/10/21 at 11:32 am to the LSUSaint
Posted on 2/10/21 at 11:32 am to the LSUSaint
Brady may be the GOAT in terms of accomplishments, but Mahomes is on the path of being the best quarterback of all time.
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Posted on 2/10/21 at 11:35 am to Eat Your Crow
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bet you a lot of money he never has a season as good as he did in 2018 again.
He may never throw 50 TDs again (since that's fricking insane), but he threw half the interceptions with a higher completion percentage and only 2 less yards per game this year.
I don't think it's crazy to think he could keep up an elite level of play.
Posted on 2/10/21 at 11:40 am to extremetigerfanatic
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Mahomes cap hit was less than 6 mil this past year. It jumps to 24 next year 31 the next and then sits in the 40s forever until they renegotiate.
It will be interesting to see how that affects him. It has obviously affected Rodgers. He was a 7.75 mil cap hit the year they won it all and the Packers have struggled putting pieces around him as his number has gone up. And that’s with his number hovering around “only” 20 mil for the last 6-7 years.
Same thing happened to Russell Wilson. He won a Super Bowl at 25, made it again the next season and then signed a huge contract, which led them to dismantling the rest of the team.
Posted on 2/10/21 at 11:47 am to NawlinsTiger9
In my opinion...its because this is a low key white/black thing. Pretty obvious if you watch and listen. EVERYONE...picked Mahomes to win. At that point, the conversation for GOAT was supposed to take off...something that ESPN and the likes were DYING to have. Immediately after the Super Bowl, the talking heads on ESPN that night you could tell were aggravated that Brady won. The simple fact is Brady is the GOAT. End of story. The only thing Mahomes can do is win 8. Brady got in the way of that and beat their newly crowned GOAT...at 43 years of age...and it wasn't even close. That ends the "Mahomes being the GOAT" conversation for a loooooong time in my opinion. Simply put, they cant handle that fact. They are forcing the GOAT conversations because they want it to be true. A black QB being the GOAT is salivating to them. Its everything they want and cheer for. Brady dealt the GOAT conversation a death blow. Tom Brady absolutely smoked Patrick Mahomes head to head in a Super Bowl and they know that is the ultimate tie-breaker.
I don't have anything against Mahomes either. He is a great young man and QB. He will absolutely be a Hall of Famer, but the GOAT conversation is over for now. It just is.
I don't have anything against Mahomes either. He is a great young man and QB. He will absolutely be a Hall of Famer, but the GOAT conversation is over for now. It just is.
This post was edited on 2/10/21 at 11:48 am
Posted on 2/10/21 at 11:48 am to Buckeye Backer
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its because this is a white/black thing
Posted on 2/10/21 at 11:48 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
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Mahomes definitely can catch Brady. It doesn’t matter if he doesn’t get 7 as long as he gets a couple more rings and keeps breaking records and winning mvps he’ll be no.1 how could you deny him if he wins 3 or 4 Super Bowls and like 10 mvps
I think we assume a ton for Mahommes career, and it’s getting a bit ridiculous
10 MVPs?!
Posted on 2/10/21 at 11:49 am to Buckeye Backer
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In my opinion...its because this is a low key white/black thing. Pretty obvious if you watch and listen. EVERYONE...picked Mahomes to win. At that point, the conversation for GOAT was supposed to take off...something that ESPN and the likes were DYING to have. Immediately after the Super Bowl, the talking heads on ESPN that night you could tell were aggravated that Brady won. The simple fact is Brady is the GOAT. End of story. The only thing Mahomes can do is win 8. Brady got in the way of that and beat their newly crowned GOAT...at 43 years of age...and it wasn't even close. That ends the "Mahomes being the GOAT" conversation for a loooooong time in my opinion. Simply put, they cant handle that fact. They are forcing the GOAT conversations because they want it to be true. A black QB being the GOAT is salivating to them. Its everything they want and cheer for. Brady dealt the GOAT conversation a death blow. Tom Brady absolutely smoked Patrick Mahomes head to head in a Super Bowl and they know that is the ultimate tie-breaker.
I don't have anything against Mahomes either. He is a great young man and QB. He will absolutely be a Hall of Famer, but the GOAT conversation is over for now. It just is.
Couldn’t have said it better myself
Posted on 2/10/21 at 11:50 am to the LSUSaint
We can debate the virtues of counting championship rings, stat totals, athletic attributes, etc. all day.
But at the end of the day, Tom Brady will have played QB at an elite level on playoff teams for over 20 seasons.
It's very unlikely someone is going to do that for several reasons:
1. you need really good genes and personal self discipline to keep your body at that level of physical ability into your 40s
2. you need great instincts and good luck to avoid injuries and wear and tear that normally occur
3. you need uncanny team stability in a league that promotes parity in a variety of direct and indirect ways (draft slots, scheduling, free agency, chaos)
4. you need an insane passion and perseverance for the game and winning that pushes you through all the pain, bulls^t and frustration
The last part gets overlooked but modern inflated salaries and the enhanced spotlight on the long term medical effects of playing pro football are going to effect the career arc of star players going forward.
Just look at Andrew Luck, one of the greatest natural QB talents to ever enter the league. He invested his signing bonus wisely and then walked away at age 29 after only playing 86 games. And everyone applauded him for doing so. He wanted to get out while his joints and frontal lobe were still intact. And he never made it to a Super Bowl.
Mahomes signed a $500 million contract and will get at least another $200 million from endorsements. That's F-U money. In the next five years he could win another Super Bowl, another MVP, another 5000/50 season and then follow Andy Reid out the retirement door saying "there's more important things than football" and everyone would stand up cheering wildly and wiping a tear from their eye.
It's not a question of whether a player now or in the future has the talent to match Brady's resume but rather the probability of all the other factors line up. I don't see it happening in our lifetime.
Posted on 2/10/21 at 11:56 am to I Bleed Garnet
quote:How can someone be this fricking dumb?
don't have anything against Mahomes either. He is a great young man and QB. He will absolutely be a Hall of Famer, but the GOAT conversation is over for now. It just is.
The conversation is already over? Mahomes first 3 years is so much better than Brady it isn’t even on the same planet. Yet you are declaring him finished.
This post was edited on 2/10/21 at 11:57 am
Posted on 2/10/21 at 11:58 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
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he’s got 1 and could argue should have 2 after 3 years in the league
But that’s kind of the point. Voters get fatigued voting for the same thing and usually just vote for the “story” of the year. Guys who are either going for historical greatness in a single season or is breaking out for the first time.
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Rodgers has 5-6 more years tops who’s gonna be winning them if not him?
Do you think there’s only 2 QBs out there that can win the MVP and that no young QB will ever be in contention for the award?
The league is brimming with young and exciting QBs, and is always bringing in a fresh crop nearly every season. There will always be someone
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Cuz we already see where the career started at imagine where he’ll be at 29 there’s a reason he got paid half a billion
No one is doubting Mahommes, I just think you underestimate how insane 10 MVPs would be.
And it’s hard to imagine he will be around this talented of a roster for the entirety of his career, plus he does have a bit of injury bug in him that could catch up to him one day.
Posted on 2/10/21 at 11:58 am to Buckeye Backer
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In my opinion...its because this is a low key white/black thing.
This board is ridiculous
Posted on 2/10/21 at 12:00 pm to lsupride87
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How can someone be this fricking dumb? The conversation is already over?
Mahomes first 3 years is so much better than Brady it isn’t even on the same planet. Yet you are declaring him finished.
lol Right back at ya. Where did i say the conversation was over for good? I said its over "for now". I never said its over forever. But this GOAT conversation needs to be put on ice for a long time. He has a LOOOOOONG way to go to even get in the conversation.
Posted on 2/10/21 at 12:02 pm to wildtigercat93
quote:really?
No one is doubting Mahommes
We have people saying “it’s over” for Mahomes in terms of the GOAT potential
The guy has played only 3 seasons, and has this:
Individual accomplishments:
The best season of all time for a QB in the history of the sport and an MVP
Team Accomplishments:
Super bowl title
Super bowl appearance
Posted on 2/10/21 at 12:03 pm to WestCoastAg
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I’m not sure what you mean by should. There is only what did and what did not happen.
I feel comfortable saying he won’t. Because that shite don’t happen. And I love Mahomes—I hope he does, but Tom Brady and his Patriots’ tenure is such a complete aberration that you have to basically just toss it out when trying to project another player’s career. And though great, Andy Reid ain’t Bill Belicheck, and probably won’t even be alive in Mahomes’s 15th season (if he plays that long), much less still his HC.
With his low salary cap hit and the history of non-Patriots organizations (49ers are the only other modern era one to have sustained championship success), the chances are Pat has probably played on the best team he ever will. How many Super Bowls did everybody assume Aaron Rodgers would have by now after his?
Or more specifically to your fandom, Clayton Kershaw won his 3rd Cy Young (and the friggin MVP) in 2014 when he was only 26. How many Cy Youngs would your 2014 self had thought he’d have by now? Or how many he’d wind up with? I’d bet just about everything I have it’d have been more than 3.
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mahomes should already have 2 wins and 3/3 in getting there.
I’m not sure what you mean by should. There is only what did and what did not happen.
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i feel comfortable in saying that mahomes will probably win at least 3 more
I feel comfortable saying he won’t. Because that shite don’t happen. And I love Mahomes—I hope he does, but Tom Brady and his Patriots’ tenure is such a complete aberration that you have to basically just toss it out when trying to project another player’s career. And though great, Andy Reid ain’t Bill Belicheck, and probably won’t even be alive in Mahomes’s 15th season (if he plays that long), much less still his HC.
With his low salary cap hit and the history of non-Patriots organizations (49ers are the only other modern era one to have sustained championship success), the chances are Pat has probably played on the best team he ever will. How many Super Bowls did everybody assume Aaron Rodgers would have by now after his?
Or more specifically to your fandom, Clayton Kershaw won his 3rd Cy Young (and the friggin MVP) in 2014 when he was only 26. How many Cy Youngs would your 2014 self had thought he’d have by now? Or how many he’d wind up with? I’d bet just about everything I have it’d have been more than 3.
Posted on 2/10/21 at 12:04 pm to Buckeye Backer
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In my opinion...its because this is a low key white/black thing
Which one are we considering Mahomes?
Race has nothing to do with this. There are too many stupid sports fans who are too lazy to do any real analysis and decide that judging individual players based on team accomplishments is the way to go.
Posted on 2/10/21 at 12:05 pm to VADawg
quote:This is correct. Humans are binary creatures. We like easy thoughtless answers
Race has nothing to do with this. There are too many stupid sports fans who are too lazy to do any real analysis and decide that judging individual players based on team accomplishments is the way to go.
It’s too easy to say “let’s just count rings”
Posted on 2/10/21 at 12:05 pm to lsupride87
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We have people saying “it’s over” for Mahomes in terms of the GOAT potential
We also have people who said they “still doubt” Brady yet. Idiots are everywhere
Doubting whether he will automatically win 10 MVPs or 10 Super Bowls isn’t doubting Mahommes
Posted on 2/10/21 at 12:06 pm to wildtigercat93
quote:No
We also have people who said they “still doubt” Brady yet. Idiots are everywhere
Doubting whether he will automatically win 10 MVPs or 10 Super Bowls isn’t doubting Mahommes
Saying he won’t be GOAT because he won’t get 7 rings is idiotic.
Posted on 2/10/21 at 12:07 pm to lsupride87
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The conversation is already over?
To be fair, he said it’s over for now
He ain’t the GOAT right now
Posted on 2/10/21 at 12:08 pm to the LSUSaint
I think it will honestly have more to do with how much salary cap Mahomes wants to eat up in the future.
Brady has in recent years taken very team-friendly deals so that he could surround himself with the talent necessary to win it all.
With Mahomes getting such a huge contract, its gonna be tough keeping that team together.
Brady has in recent years taken very team-friendly deals so that he could surround himself with the talent necessary to win it all.
With Mahomes getting such a huge contract, its gonna be tough keeping that team together.
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