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re: What went wrong for Michigan/Harbaugh since 2016?
Posted on 9/29/20 at 6:25 am to VerlanderBEAST
Posted on 9/29/20 at 6:25 am to VerlanderBEAST
Go back to tight ends & fullbacks, lose big to OSU
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Posted on 9/29/20 at 7:25 am to Mithridates6
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What went wrong for Michigan
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Harbaugh
Posted on 9/29/20 at 7:42 am to baldona
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USC consistently has 3 NFL Qb’s on their roster and they suck.
Their QBs suck too, they just have a better supporting cast than everyone else in the conference to cover that up.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 8:28 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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the best qb harbs has had at mich was a facking grad transfer from iowa in harb's first year.
Also, remember Ruddock left Iowa because he list the starting job. Harbaugh's best QB was Iowa's second stringer.
Earlier poster compared Michigan to Iowa. Wrong comparison. Iowa is more comparable to Penn State, second in the division trying to dethrone Wisconsin (or OSU). Iowa and Penn State have also had a very competitive, back and forth series where each have gone on streaks for a time.
Michigan is more like Nebraska, faded blue blood who is trying to recapture the past with little success and who thinks far more highly of themselves than everybody else does of them.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 8:29 am to Mithridates6
Recruiting. He felt like his coaching could be a key factor, and the diversity of CFB strategy is an equalizer
Posted on 9/29/20 at 8:51 am to SoDakHawk
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Also, remember Ruddock left Iowa because he list the starting job. Harbaugh's best QB was Iowa's second stringer.
In fairness though, Rudock looked infinitely better at Michigan than he ever did at Iowa.
Michigan's problems have been QB play and being slow at linebacker, IMO. Whenever people used to talk about Ohio State being slow, it wasn't about their whole team. No one would call Santonio Holmes and Ted Ginn slow. It was always about their linebackers, who couldn't cover the SEC guys out of the slot or the backfield.
Michigan is a very good team if the game is played in a phone booth.
ETA: I also have to wonder how differently the Harbaugh era would look if the 4th down spot in the 2016 Ohio State game had gone the other way. Michigan would have gotten blasted by Clemson in the playoff too, but I think a win over OSU in Columbus that year would have solidified Harbaugh as a force in the Big 10.
This post was edited on 9/29/20 at 8:58 am
Posted on 9/29/20 at 8:52 am to AUCE05
I've actually gotten into debates with my scUM grad friends where my position was that they should be harder on him. They are saying his seat isn't even warm. Any other coach not named Harbaugh would likely be in a different situation.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 9:40 am to Mithridates6
Ohio State in 2018. Michigan was favored (which has been rare in the past 20 years).
Harbaugh is supposed to be a QB guru and yet Patterson wasn't even drafted despite being a 5*.
Harbaugh is supposed to be a QB guru and yet Patterson wasn't even drafted despite being a 5*.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 9:43 am to Chucktown_Badger
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I've actually gotten into debates with my scUM grad friends where my position was that they should be harder on him. They are saying his seat isn't even warm. Any other coach not named Harbaugh would likely be in a different situation.
They're just stuck. He's a good HC but has an awful record against top 10 teams.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 10:31 am to VADawg
quote:QB yes.
Michigan's problems have been QB play and being slow at linebacker, IMO
The LB thing is nonsense. You have no clue what you're talking about. Rhe only LB we had with below average speed is Mike McCray. Peppers Gedeon Hudson Bush McGrone and Glasgow have not just good but legitimately elite speed and quickness.
This post was edited on 9/29/20 at 10:34 am
Posted on 9/29/20 at 10:38 am to VerlanderBEAST
Peppers was a safety who got moved up to linebacker because of his speed.
Every time I watch them play against Ohio State, and in the Peach Bowl vs Florida and the Orange Bowl vs Florida State, I saw Michigan get destroyed on crossing routes.
I know they had some guys out in that FSU game (Peppers, notably).
Every time I watch them play against Ohio State, and in the Peach Bowl vs Florida and the Orange Bowl vs Florida State, I saw Michigan get destroyed on crossing routes.
I know they had some guys out in that FSU game (Peppers, notably).
Posted on 9/29/20 at 10:46 am to VADawg
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Michigan's problems have been QB play and being slow at linebacker, IMO. Whenever people used to talk about Ohio State being slow, it wasn't about their whole team. No one would call Santonio Holmes and Ted Ginn slow. It was always about their linebackers, who couldn't cover the SEC guys out of the slot or the backfield.
I would not agree with that. They've had some pretty damn elite players in their front 7 since Harbaugh has been there, and speed on defense hasn't been an issue, even against top tier teams.
Their biggest problem is that their offense goes anemic as shite at times. Subpar QB play, as others have pointed out, but they've been also plagued by inconsistent offensive lines and a lack of true gamebreakers at the skill positions on offense as well.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 10:47 am to Mithridates6
Problems are always bigger than one player but let's not ignore the fact that Shea Patterson is a cancer
Posted on 9/29/20 at 10:52 am to AbuTheMonkey
Yeah, the defenses in '16 and '18 were very good/great. It's just to difficult to compete with OSU's tempo when your offense isn't built for it. I thought Gattis showed flashes of getting it in the right direction. Part of the problem is Patterson was just too inconsistent.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 10:53 am to VADawg
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Every time I watch them play against Ohio State, and in the Peach Bowl vs Florida and the Orange Bowl vs Florida State, I saw Michigan get destroyed on crossing routes.
That's a classic Don Brown defect.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 10:55 am to VADawg
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Peppers
Posted on 9/29/20 at 11:45 am to YF12
Yeah, their defensive speed isn't good enough to complete with Ohio State on the edge. Watch the Parris Campbell catch and run. Michigan defender had the angle and got blown away. There's speed and there's elite speed.
Parris Campbell 78 yard reception and run
Parris Campbell 78 yard reception and run
Posted on 9/29/20 at 11:50 am to YF12
Here are the quarterbacks Harbaugh has had his time at Michigan:
Shea Patterson - transferred in
Jake Rudock - transferred in
O'Korn - transferred in
Brandon Peters - transferred out
Wilton Speight - transferred out
So I think it's time to scrap the whole "QB whisperer" bullshite. The guy hasn't developed a single QB in his time there.
Shea Patterson - transferred in
Jake Rudock - transferred in
O'Korn - transferred in
Brandon Peters - transferred out
Wilton Speight - transferred out
So I think it's time to scrap the whole "QB whisperer" bullshite. The guy hasn't developed a single QB in his time there.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 11:52 am to Chucktown_Badger
5 star savior QB Dylan McCaffrey is also transferring now.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 12:32 pm to Mithridates6
Shea Patterson
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