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re: What should the Jags defender have done on the Gronk hit
Posted on 1/25/18 at 8:10 am to Eighteen
Posted on 1/25/18 at 8:10 am to Eighteen
4:17 of this video shows a great example of the offensive player literally creating the H2H contact
the WR lowers his head and hits the DB with the fricking crown of his helmet...and the DB gets ejected (and likely concussed)
the WR lowers his head and hits the DB with the fricking crown of his helmet...and the DB gets ejected (and likely concussed)
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Posted on 1/25/18 at 8:12 am to SlowFlowPro
Another example of “offensive” targeting
Posted on 1/25/18 at 8:19 am to theunknownknight
Posted on 1/25/18 at 8:23 am to SlowFlowPro
You are right on with this one. I love the idiots suggesting he form tackles a flying Gronk who is contorting his body like a missile.
There is one way to defend that pass/catch and it is what the Jags defender did.
This has nothing to do with the pats or this specific play the issue is much bigger
There is one way to defend that pass/catch and it is what the Jags defender did.
This has nothing to do with the pats or this specific play the issue is much bigger
Posted on 1/25/18 at 8:24 am to lsupride87
quote:
what happens when he goes for his waist, and Gronk ducks lower, their helmets collide, and he still gets flagged?
If Gronk goes lower and they collide, it's not a penalty. If he got flagged, then that's a bad call.
Evidence that you can hit properly and it get knocked out.
This post was edited on 1/25/18 at 8:27 am
Posted on 1/25/18 at 8:41 am to lsupride87
Shouldn't have led with his head. Stick your arms out and try to wrap the guy up. If you do that, they can't say that you lead with your head.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 8:47 am to Hu_Flung_Pu
quote:In that gif, if Davis drops his head like Gronk did, the defender gets flagged man
Evidence that you can hit properly and it get knocked out.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 8:47 am to lsupride87
I agree I thought this was a bogus call
Posted on 1/25/18 at 8:47 am to Roll Tide Ravens
quote:He didnt
Shouldn't have led with his head.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 8:48 am to Hu_Flung_Pu
quote:Yes it is
If Gronk goes lower and they collide, it's not a penalty
Posted on 1/25/18 at 8:51 am to lsupride87
quote:
He didnt
Leading with the shoulder often results in/is often seen as leading with the head. At least to officials.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 8:52 am to lsupride87
quote:Tell he whose head is leading here
Shouldn't have led with his head.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 8:52 am to Roll Tide Ravens
quote:And that is what I am arguing against, the rule
Leading with the shoulder often results in/is often seen as leading with the head. At least to officials.
The offensive player was actually leading with his head here, as the defender was leading with his shoulder
Posted on 1/25/18 at 9:07 am to lsupride87
You sure do take things out of context. Gronk is falling down after jumping.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 9:08 am to Hu_Flung_Pu
quote:Why does that matter, at all
Gronk is falling down after jumping.
The fact is, gronks falling is causing him to lead with his head, as the defender leads with his shoulder
The rule, as enforced now, makes the defender responsible for leading with his own head and initiating contact, as well as being responsible for the offensive player leading with his head and initiating contact
This post was edited on 1/25/18 at 9:09 am
Posted on 1/25/18 at 9:08 am to lsupride87
quote:
Yes it is
Not the way it is written. If it is called, that's another matter.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 9:13 am to Hu_Flung_Pu
quote:Please post the written rule
Not the way it is written.
And then we can see if they called the rule as written here
Posted on 1/25/18 at 9:14 am to lsupride87
Watch this clip then. The point is that Church stayed high and didn't attempt to lower his body to avoid helmet contact. Earl Thomas did.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 9:15 am to Hu_Flung_Pu
quote:You serious? The only difference there is gronk was not as off balance and did not lean as far forward into the contact zone
Watch this clip then. The point is that Church stayed high and didn't attempt to lower his body to avoid helmet contact. Earl Thomas did
Posted on 1/25/18 at 9:16 am to lsupride87
Here is the written rule
So, even if you go in to wrap up around the waist, if the offensive player changes his head level, and contact is made, you are getting flagged.
The rule is ridiculous
quote:
Prohibited contact against a player who is in a defenseless posture is:
forcibly hitting the defenseless player’s head or neck area with the helmet, facemask, forearm, or shoulder, even if the initial contact is lower than the player’s neck, and regardless of whether the defensive player also uses his arms to tackle the defenseless player by encircling or grasping him
So, even if you go in to wrap up around the waist, if the offensive player changes his head level, and contact is made, you are getting flagged.
The rule is ridiculous
This post was edited on 1/25/18 at 9:18 am
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