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re: What should the Jags defender have done on the Gronk hit
Posted on 1/24/18 at 9:01 pm to lsupride87
Posted on 1/24/18 at 9:01 pm to lsupride87
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I am not arguing the jags got screwed.... I am arguing the rule and what is expected is ridiculous
Now THAT I can agree with. But they have to train players not to go head to head. Gonna be some growing pains. I think they'll ease it on incidental head to head contact over the years, but it's a point of emphasis for refs. So, it's gonna get called.
And he still lowered his head at the end. Keep your eyes up on the target. It protects the defender as well. See what you're hitting. He didn't do that.
This post was edited on 1/24/18 at 9:03 pm
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Posted on 1/24/18 at 9:02 pm to JuiceTerry
Gronk has 50 lbs and 4 inches on church.. that's the reality of why he had to aim where he did, the other option is cutting his knees out.. the idea that he should simply wrap him him up or lead with his left shoulder and risk a miss on his vulnerable areas isn't going to work.. its ridiculous to many of us that church is suppossed to do his job at full speed and know exactly how many inches lower he needs to go as the receiver is also tilting his frame.. it's clear he wasn't leading with his helmet and the contact was incidental.
Exhibit A..
on wrapping up Gronk by defensive backs
Exhibit A..
on wrapping up Gronk by defensive backs
This post was edited on 1/24/18 at 9:20 pm
Posted on 1/24/18 at 9:08 pm to SmackoverHawg
His head was up.. his body and thusly his head is tilted lower as he's trying to hit him in the chest with his shoulder which he successfully accomplished. But since gronk lowered his head they had incidental contact
This post was edited on 1/24/18 at 9:10 pm
Posted on 1/24/18 at 9:13 pm to TROLA
quote:I don't see how tbird disagrees with this
His head was up.. his body and thusly his head is tilted lower as he's trying to hit him in the chest with his shoulder which he successfully accomplished. But since gronk lowered his head they had incidental contact This post was edited on 1/24 at 9:10 pm
Posted on 1/24/18 at 10:44 pm to lsupride87
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Watching the hit, I have zero clue where anything unnecessary or dirty was done. The defender leads with his shoulder, and their helmets collide due to impact/gronks head lowering into the side of the defenders helmet
Agreed. There was nothing dirty, whatsoever, about the hit. Just unfortunate that the helmets collide often in these situations.
But they gotta start somewhere in the race against science. If these calls are made consistently, the game and defenders will evolve around them.
Besides, if anything, this was karma for Gronks dirty as frick hit on the Seattle WR.
Posted on 1/24/18 at 10:50 pm to lsupride87
Should have been wearing a patriots jersey to avoid the flag
Posted on 1/24/18 at 10:50 pm to lsupride87
The fact that we have to ask these questions shows what a joke the NFL is.
I love the slo-mo down and suddenly everything is vicious.
You know how fast these guys are running.
Shite, most on here couldn't pull off of diving into a pool from 5 feet way...I'm committed bro, going too fast. And that's beer belly guy.
Let alone trying to tackle some dude who is going to duck, dip, dive and fake his way to elude you or draw a penalty at the speed of sprinters.
You can't manufacture safety in football - especially at the ultra-speed of the NFL. And these rules are putting tacklers in danger having to pull up at the last minute - which you were never taught in high school - that's how you get hurt, by pulling up and going soft into a tackle.
Walk on road. Walk right side, safe. Walk left side, safe. Walk middle, sooner or later, [makes squish gesture] get squish, just like grape.
Here football, same thing. Either you football do, yes, or football do, no.
You football do, guess so, [makes squish gesture] just like grape.”
I love the slo-mo down and suddenly everything is vicious.
You know how fast these guys are running.
Shite, most on here couldn't pull off of diving into a pool from 5 feet way...I'm committed bro, going too fast. And that's beer belly guy.
Let alone trying to tackle some dude who is going to duck, dip, dive and fake his way to elude you or draw a penalty at the speed of sprinters.
You can't manufacture safety in football - especially at the ultra-speed of the NFL. And these rules are putting tacklers in danger having to pull up at the last minute - which you were never taught in high school - that's how you get hurt, by pulling up and going soft into a tackle.
Walk on road. Walk right side, safe. Walk left side, safe. Walk middle, sooner or later, [makes squish gesture] get squish, just like grape.
Here football, same thing. Either you football do, yes, or football do, no.
You football do, guess so, [makes squish gesture] just like grape.”
This post was edited on 1/24/18 at 10:52 pm
Posted on 1/24/18 at 10:56 pm to Pocket Kingz
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Besides, if anything, this was karma for Gronks dirty as frick hit on the Seattle WR.
Posted on 1/24/18 at 10:56 pm to TROLA
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Gronk has 50 lbs and 4 inches on church.. that's the reality of why he had to aim where he did, the other option is cutting his knees out
And every player since this rule came out has said...shite I have a career, I'd rather he go for my head...than end my career by taking out my knees.
But the NFL encourages that...ending careers...because they only fear lawsuits 30 years down the road from players. They don't fear some guy going Gayle Sayers - hey, tough luck buddy, sorry your knees got ripped apart...should have jumped or something.
Busted knees don't bring million dollar settlements - them the breaks.
Posted on 1/24/18 at 11:02 pm to lsupride87
Your obsession with the Patriots really is sad
I really couldn't imagine someone being this dumb thinking this particular penalty was an example of the "refs being paid off by the Pats"
But.. you've done it
It was helmet to helmet contact. Maybe if the defender was man enough he would have form tackled him. That is a flag 100/100 times. Please go cry somewhere else
I really couldn't imagine someone being this dumb thinking this particular penalty was an example of the "refs being paid off by the Pats"
But.. you've done it
It was helmet to helmet contact. Maybe if the defender was man enough he would have form tackled him. That is a flag 100/100 times. Please go cry somewhere else
Posted on 1/24/18 at 11:06 pm to TROLA
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Gronk has 50 lbs and 4 inches on church.. that's the reality of why he had to aim where he did, the other option is cutting his knees out.. the idea that he should simply wrap him him up or lead with his left shoulder and risk a miss on his vulnerable areas isn't going to work.. its ridiculous to many of us that church is suppossed to do his job at full speed and know exactly how many inches lower he needs to go as the receiver is also tilting his frame.. it's clear he wasn't leading with his helmet and the contact was incidental.
Just cause Church is a bitch doesn't give him the right to concuss someone
Just because the Pats drafted someone literally larger and faster than anyone in the league doesn't give permission to go after his legs and/or head
And just because I know some nerd will come in talking about Gronk's cheapshot on Tre, I will mention that it was dirty as frick and there is no need for it in the game justifying his suspension
Posted on 1/24/18 at 11:07 pm to lsupride87
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What should the Jags defender have done on the Gronk hit
IDK, but Brady needs to stop leaving Gronk out to dry
Posted on 1/24/18 at 11:12 pm to lsupride87
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The only way the defender can win here is to pull back and let Gronk catch it and fall
Or form tackle
That's why the rule was made. To prevent helmet-to-helmet collisions.
What's funny is there would be no chance in hell you would have wasted the mental energy to produce this garbage thread if it were Patrick Chung "accidentally" hitting Mercedes Lewis
Posted on 1/24/18 at 11:14 pm to jeff5891
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IDK, but Brady needs to stop leaving Gronk out to dry
Meh. 9/10 it's unstoppable and the 1/10 times is a bad hit in Gronk
They didn't throw that play all season to keep him healthy and only threw it to him in this game because they were down by 11 early and needed a play.
It's not an Austin Collie/Peyton Manning situation
Posted on 1/24/18 at 11:17 pm to OKtiger
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Just because the Pats drafted someone literally larger and faster than anyone in the league doesn't give permission to go after his legs and/or head
Actually you have permission to go for the knees.
You say form tackle, but we've seen gronk shed tacklers and carry guys. Hell we've seen Jimmy Graham do that as well.
If you're 6'0 and 220lbs and have to tackle a 5'10 200lb guy, you'll tackle him differently than a 6'7 260lb guy. That's the truth, church led with his shoulder, but unfortunately gronk's momentum was still going forward and his collided with church's. if you've taken physics it's like saying gronk's force is stronger than church's so it's not going to push him in a different way.
He hits Brandin cooks the same way, Cooks flies a different direction.
This post was edited on 1/24/18 at 11:18 pm
Posted on 1/24/18 at 11:19 pm to lsupride87
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The defenders shoulder hits Gronk in the chest actually
Did you crop out the gif to where you only see Church's torso?
His helmet was leading in addition to his shoulder. So why you are correct in observing his shoulder hit Gronk's chest, you fail to mention (or admit to yourself) that his head is also being launched at a trajectory that would increase the odds of making helmet-to-helmet contact. It wasn't a form tackle. It wasn't accidental.
Posted on 1/24/18 at 11:28 pm to htran90
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Actually you have permission to go for the knees.
You do but, it's generally frowned upon. Like kneeling for the anthem.
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You say form tackle, but we've seen gronk shed tacklers and carry guys.
Again, you can bitch about how unfair an advantage it is to have a literal Goliath on the field to play TE. Doesn't give you the right lead with your helmet which he did along with his shoulder
Last time i checked the head is in close proximity to the shoulder. Meaning if you lead with your shoulder to the upper torso/neck/head area of a defender, then you have a high likelehood of making helmet-to-helmet contact
He made helmet-to-helmet contact. No matter what explanation you come up with in your head, it is still helmet-to-helmet contact. It knocked someone out of the game and deserved a penalty.
Posted on 1/24/18 at 11:32 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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And every player since this rule came out has said...shite I have a career, I'd rather he go for my head...than end my career by taking out my knees.
What's ironic is they might not even have the ability to speak if they develop CTE from multiple blows to the head
Don't feel bad for any defenders. Make a form tackle or get a 15 yard penalty. It's only 15 fricking yards
Posted on 1/24/18 at 11:40 pm to lsupride87
Without reading the rest of the topic, wrap up instead of trying to bring the boom?
Posted on 1/24/18 at 11:44 pm to WaterLink
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Without reading the rest of the topic, wrap up instead of trying to bring the boom?
How dare you not join in on the anti-Pats circle jerk!
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